In this blog I will share some of the principles we are discussing.
It's impossible to share everything that is discussed in a period of several hours each time we meet. But there are things that I would like to share that we are discovering, that were heretofore hidden from us because of a desire we had to quickly get our eyeballs over the words and move on or because we were reading into the book our own preconceived notions and prejudices.
My hope is that by sharing some of the things we in our little group discover in the Book of Mormon, others will become seriously interested in the Book of Mormon and search into it and contemplate it and find out truths for themselves from God.
D&C 84: 54 - 57
"And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly the things you have received- which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation. And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion, even all. And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say but to do according to that which is written."
As a study group we are looking at this condemnation that the Lord pronounced clear back in 1832, and which He has not yet declared to be revoked, as a very serious matter.
We consider that the Lord intends the Book of Mormon to teach us how to "bring forth fruit meet for their Father's kingdom;" (D&C 84: 58)
We believe what the Lord declared, that if we do not bring forth proper fruit there remains a scourge to be poured out upon us.
So, what is the Book of Mormon going to teach us in order to bring forth proper fruit? This is the question we have started our adventure with.
We have looked at the words of the Prophet Joseph, found in the introduction sixth paragraph down,
"I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion..."
The Prophet Joseph declared the Book of Mormon to be part of a religion, even the keystone of it.
What does that mean? What does the term "religion" mean as Joseph is using it? Is he referring to a formal institution or organization?
We know that the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God and published before the organization of the church in 1830. That would seem to suggest that the Book of Mormon stands independent of any institution or organization. It was brought forth before.
Also, just as we can reasonably claim that whatever truth the Bible contains is not the property of any group, organization or institution; It can also be reasonably claimed that any or all truth contained in the Book of Mormon is likewise not the property of any group, organization or institution.
It all belongs to God who loves all peoples of the earth, every man woman and child, equally; who gives light for the benefit of the entire earth and therefore what the Book of Mormon contains cannot be limited to an institution, organization or group.
2 Nephi 26: 33 "...and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile."
JST James 1:27 states this concerning pure religion.
"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the vices of the world."
When Joseph mentioned the word religion was this what he was referring to, "pure religion"?
Joseph had studied the Bible earnestly. We know that it was the passage James 1: 5 that impressed him sufficiently to initially seek for knowledge from heaven (Joseph Smith History verses 11 - 13) This verse is just a few verses preceding the verse on pure religion.
We also know that when the angel appeared that fall evening with a message for him and showed Joseph in vision where the plates were, that Joseph was studied enough in the Bible to be able to distinguish between the verses being quoted exactly as they were in the Bible or being quoted differently. (Joseph Smith History verses 36 - 41)
Could we reasonably consider that Joseph had studied and knew about and subscribed to James 1:27 as being the correct definition for religion? His life seems to suggest that he lived this way.
If so this would mean that religion, as Joseph was referring to it, would be a very personal, individual thing; something altogether different than being part of an institution. It would be an individual way of life.
The Jews were very "religious". They were part of an organization that had sacred space (a temple and synagogues) and sacred rituals and ordinances, the sacrifices and rites of the Law of Moses (which although it was a lesser law was a righteous law), as part of their institution. This was their definition of religion. They were born into it and taught it from birth. They had an organized church.
Jacob, Nephi's brother says this of the Jews (2 Nephi 10: 3)
"Wherefore, as I said unto you, it must needs be expedient that Christ - for in the last night the angel spake unto me that this should be his name- should come among the Jews, among those who are the more wicked part of the world...and there is no other nation on earth that would crucify their God."
Being very religious and having an organized church, they were nonetheless described as the more wicked part of the world; the only nation that would crucify their God.
Following the death of the 12 after the resurrection of Christ we know from history that "religion" as defined like the Jews defined it (a formal institution or organization), was also used by all nations to persecute, to kill, to bring war and destruction, to amass wealth and power, to change the ordinances, etc. These were all earthly institutions, churches. This does not reflect "pure religion".
D&C 10: 67 - 68 The Lord defines His Church.
"Behold, this is my doctrine-- whosoever repenteth and cometh unto me, the same is my church. Whosoever declareth more or less than this, the same is not of me, but is against me; therefore he is not of my church."
As a group we see the Lord's definition of "His Church" as very inclusive. Indeed, couldn't anyone who belongs to any denomination by this definition belong to "His Church?" This definition makes belonging to His Church a very individual and personal thing.
We consider that the Prophet Joseph was part of "His Church" because God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ condescended to appear to him and teach him. They would not have done so unless he was a part of their church. Joseph was not a part of any organized earthly church, denomination or institution. He was a single individual turning to face the Lord (the Hebrew definition of repentance) in order to receive wisdom.
As a group we have decided to study the Book of Mormon under the assumption that Joseph was describing "pure religion" when he used the term religion; that if there is a church he is referring to it is the church defined by the Lord as His Church.
As a keystone to such a religion or church, the Book of Mormon would have to necessarily teach the principles included in such a religion or church. We will look for these. These should show us how to bring forth fruit meet for our Father's kingdom.
Joseph in that paragraph in the introduction also stated, "...a man would get closer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book."
How close? What does it mean to get close or closer to God? What are we allowed to do in order to approach God? If He appeared to Joseph can we expect that He would love us the same and also appear to us according to the same principles? Does He love Joseph more than us? Are we invited indeed exhorted to approach Him like Joseph?
The book Lectures on Faith was written and edited by the Prophet Joseph. It was included in the canonized 1835 edition of the Doctrine and Covenants. It was accepted and sustained by all men women and children of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, by a vote, as scripture at that time.
The preface states,
"...We do not present this little volume with any other expectation than that we are to be called to answer to every principle advanced, in that day when the secrets of all hearts will be revealed, and the reward of every man's labor will be given him."
This was signed by Joseph as well as Oliver, Sidney, and Fredrick G Williams.
Joseph and the others did not take the matter of advancing these principles lightly. They expected to be held to account before God for advancing these principles.
In the Lectures on Faith, Lecture Third, Joseph explains that in order to exercise faith in God unto life and salvation a person must first have the idea that God actually exists and second must have a correct idea of his character, perfections, and attributes. Thirdly they must have an actual knowledge that the course of life they are pursuing is according to God's will.
Further down in Lecture Third as Joseph is explaining the correct character of God he states,
"...he is no respecter of persons, but in every nation he that fears God and works righteousness is accepted of him..." also "it is also necessary that men should have an idea that he is no respecter of persons, for with the idea of all the other excellencies in his character and this one wanting, men could not exercise faith in him; because if he were a respecter of persons, they could not tell what their privileges were, nor how far they were authorized to exercise faith in him, or whether they were authorized to do it at all, but all must be confusion..."
We as a group are going to study the Book of Mormon under the assumption that when Joseph claimed that a man would get closer to God by abiding by its precepts that he meant that we can get as close to God as he did. We assume that Joseph meant that we can come into God's presence right here and now, just like Joseph, because God is no respecter of persons.
We should, as a group then, be able to find teachings and principles in the Book of Mormon that, if applied, will bring us into the presence of God so that we come close to Him. We will look for these precepts.
We also want to discover how the principles of the Book of Mormon can help us to flee Babylon.
When Daniel interpreted the dream of Nebuchadnezzar, concerning the image with the head of gold and so forth to the feet mixed with miry clay and iron, Daniel declared that in the days of the kingdoms represented by the feet the Lord would work a work that would be like unto a stone cut out of the mountain without hands.
It would not be the work accomplished by the hands of a man or men. It would be divinely accomplished by God. The Book of Mormon was brought forth by the will of God and by His power. It was not brought forth by manner of earthly learning in order to translate what had been preserved by the power of God.
"Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God , for his voice hath declared it unto us;..." (The Testimony of Three Witnesses)
"But behold, it shall come to pass that the Lord God shall say unto him to whom he shall deliver the book: Take these words which are not sealed and deliver them to another, that he may show them unto the learned, saying: Read this, I pray thee. And the learned shall say: Bring hither the book, and I will read them. And now, because of the glory of the world and to get gain will they say this, and not for the glory of God. And the man shall ay: I cannot bring the book, for it is sealed. Then shall the learned say: I cannot read it. Wherefore it shall come to pass, that the Lord God will deliver again the book and the words thereof to him that is not learned; and the man that is not learned shall say: I am not learned. Then shall the Lord God say unto him: The learned shall not read them, for they have rejected them, and I am able to do mine own work; wherefore thou shalt read the words which I shall give unto thee." (2 Nephi 27:15 - 20)
Every existing society, nation, idea, philosophy, economy, etc. is permeated by the influences, philosophies and ideas of the fallen nations of Babylon and so forth. Babylon's influence continues to hold sway. It pollutes all.
Even the Bible has been influenced by the cultures of the Babylonians, the Phoenicians, the Greeks and the Romans. The New Testament was originally written in the Greek language. There seems at this moment no source to draw from to avoid these influences. Except the Book of Mormon.
The Book of Mormon was written and hid up and translated without containing any of the influences or contaminations of any of these other ancient cultures.
Those who wrote the Book of Mormon left before the Babylonian captivity of the Jews and they carried with them records that were prior to and not lost to or polluted by the Babylonian captivity.
They never crossed paths with anyone from those cultures.
They preserved an ancient religion, the religion of Abraham, that was lost to the Jews because of their captivity and unbelief. The principles of that ancient religion, or way of living, was the same as was had at the beginning among Adam. The principles of that religion, if lived, will eventually destroy the polluted influences of all of the cultures represented in the figure of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar.
This is some of the discussion we have had to orient the way we want to study the Book of Mormon as we read it together. We look forward to what we will find. It is becoming a new book to us.
Loved this intro, Jon. I agree with its principles. This latest time studying the Book of Mormon for me has had more impact than any before.
ReplyDeleteIt is thrilling to sit down and study each day. In fact, I must admit (sheepishly) that this is the first time I've actually longed for it each day and not had to wrestle myself to "get my scripture study done". That former wrestling has always yielded fruits and blessings and even miraculous personal revelations.....but has still been hard for me to initiate. But obedience, though not always easy, does result in the Lord fulfilling His promises, which I thank God for with my whole heart. And this new development (of actually craving it) is lovely and I'm VERY thankful for it. :)
I've also been reading (actually, listening to) the new book "Saints, Volume 1".. Have you had a chance to look at that yet? It's not what I expected, but it's been quite a faith-builder for me. My Daniel put it this way: it's either a faith-killer or a faith-builder. ha ha!
I do have a sincere question that has come to my mind at times as I contemplate the emphasis you've put against organized religion. Why does the Lord periodically, "organize", "establish the order" of, and "regulate" His church? Mosiah 26 and Alma 6 are examples.
Thanks again for inviting us to see this. I LOVE discussing things with you.
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ReplyDeleteGreat question. I will answer what my point of view is. Hope that it helps maybe it won't
Chapter 25 of Mosiah describes the reunion of the Nephites with King Mosiah in Zarahemla, the people of Limhi, and the people of Alma. There are a couple of things of note in this chapter.
Verse 15 And Alma did speak unto them, when they were assembled together in large bodies, and he went from one body to another, preaching unto the people repentance and faith on the Lord.
This verse does not give us a time table for how long it took Alma to travel and preach to one large group and then travel and preach to another large group until he had preached to everyone. It does give us an idea that at that moment in time there were a lot of people.
Verse 17 talks about the people of Limhi desiring baptism after having been taught.
Verse 18 states - Therefore, Alma did go forth into the water and did baptize them; yea, he did baptize them after the manner he did his brethren in the waters of Mormon; yea , and as many as he did baptize did belong to the church of God; and this because of their belief on the words of Alma.
All my life I considered that if someone belonged to a church it meant that they were part of a denomination or group that followed certain creeds and that had a certain hierarchy. That is what the word church meant for me.
The people baptized by Alma fit the definition of the Lord of "His church" quoted in this introduction,"Behold, this is my doctrine-- whosoever repenteth and cometh unto me, the same is my church. Whosoever declareth more or less than this, the same is not of me, but is against me; therefore he is not of my church."
They had repented and desired to come unto Christ; nothing more nothing less. They did not belong to a certain denomination with creeds or a hierarchy, etc. nor did they express a desire to as I read the scriptures. They were merely Christians we could say. The term Christians seems to be a term that is able to be used today to cross all denominational boundaries. They were a body of people who believed in Jesus Christ. For me the term Christian seems way more fitting of the definition the Lord uses for His "church" than a membership in any titled denomination.
Verse 19 - And it came to pass that king Mosiah granted unto Alma that he might establish churches throughout the land.
Notice that the term churches is plural. That would seem to imply, in my opinion, independent groups of believers throughout the land.
and gave him power to ordain priests and teachers over every church.
Notice that every individual church has their own priests and teachers. Something that ought to be considered; Can women be teachers even though they do not perform priestly functions? Is it possible that women were ordained to teach in these individual bodies? Did each unique body of believers face their own unique challenges that would require individualized instruction in the gospel?
Verse 20 - Now this was done because there were so many people that they could not all be governed by one teacher; neither could they all hear the word of God in one assembly;
What does it mean to be governed by a teacher? Why is it specifically mentioned about being governed by teachers instead of stating that they were governed by priests? Could teachers be women? If a teacher was a woman how would she govern? What is a teachers role? Does a teacher hold or exercise authority over those he/she teaches? Is the role of a teacher more like what the Prophet Joseph answered when asked why he had such great influence over the people;
"I teach them correct principles and they govern themselves"?
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ReplyDeleteIn my mind this being governed by a teacher precludes specific rules that must be followed and enforced in order to receive or participate in salvation. Teaching correct principles leaves all things between an individual and the Lord instead of between one individual and another who is "over" the first in essence to enforce the rules.
Verse 21 - Therefore they did assemble themselves together in different bodies, being called churches;
Here the Book of Mormon plainly tells us that the term church was merely used as a label for an individual body of believers.
every church having their priests and their teachers, and every priest preaching the word according as it was delivered to him by the mouth of Alma.
What was the word that was delivered to each priest by the mouth of Alma?
Does this mean that each priest waited for a "first presidency message", so to speak, from Alma before teaching anything? Was Alma the only one allowed to know what to teach?
I don't believe so.
In Alma Chapter 18:19 - 22 we can read what the word, or instruction, was that was delivered to every priest by Alma.
And he commanded them that they should teach nothing save it were the things which he taught,
What were those thing that he taught? verse one of 18 tells us.
And now, it came to pass that Almam who had fled from the servants of king Noah, repented of his sins and iniquities, and went about privately among the people, and began to teach the words of Abinadi.
He wasn't saying, "Hey I'm the one who will get the word of the Lord and then I will pass it down to everyone under me and that is what you will teach." He was saying teach the principles Abinadi taught and also that which had been spoken by the mouth of the holy prophets.
Yea, even he commanded them that they should preach nothing save it were repentance and faith on the Lord, who had redeemed his people. And he commanded them that there should be no contention one with another, but that they should look forward with one eye, having one faith, and one baptism, having their hearts knit together in unity and in love one towards another. And thus he commanded them to preach. And thus they became the children of God.
This manner of worship and teaching among a group of believers had yielded fruit in the group who had been baptized at the waters of Mormon and so Mosiah gave Alma permission to use this pattern among everyone.
And thus, notwithstanding there being many churches they were all one church, yea, even the church of God; for there was nothing preached in all the churches except it were repentance and faith in God.
All seven individual and independent groups of believers with their own priests and teachers were still considered by God to be His Church, one church, because they fit His definition, whosoever repenteth and cometh unto me, the same is my church.
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ReplyDeleteA couple of things about the priests and teachers of each group, Alma consecrated or ordained them but "authority" to preach came from God. Alma wasn't there telling them what to preach.
Mosiah 23:17 And it came to pass that none received authority to preach or to teach except it were by him from God. Therefore he consecrated all their priests and all their teachers;...
Alma knew that authority had to come from God. Remember what he had experienced at the waters of Mormon.
Mosiah 18:12 And now it came to pass that Alma took Helam, he being one of the first, and went and stood forth in the water, and cried saying: O Lord, pour out thy Spirit upon thy servant, that he may do this work with holiness of heart. And when he had said these words the Spirit of the Lord was upon him,...
Those teachers and priests did not receive permission or authority from Alma to teach and preach. He ordained them and gave them instructions but they got their authority or message from God himself. There was no top down this is what you will teach model as I see it.
One other very important thing that in my mind distinguished these bodies of believers from all denominations that are in existence now.
And he also commanded them that the priests whom he had ordained should labor with their own hands for their support....And the priest were not to depend upon the people for their support; but for their labor they were to receive the grace of God, that they might wax strong in the Spirit, having the knowledge of God, that they might teach with power and authority from God. (Mosiah 18:24,26)
In here we see that it was crucial that not one person who was a priest or teacher should be supported by the people because it was critical that they support themselves in order to be able to teach with power and authority from God.
When Alma set the Church in Zarahemla in order he preached to them.
Alma 4: 20 And this he did that he himself might go forth among his people, or among the people of Nephi, that he might preach the word of God unto them, to stir them up in remembrance of their duty, and that he might pull down, by the word of God, all the pride and craftiness and all the contentions which were among his people, seeing no way that he might reclaim them save it were in bearing down in pure testimony against them.
Alma chapter 5 is one of his discourses. I would imagine there were other discourses as well we might not have record of.
Chapter 6 states that Alma ordained priests and elders to preside and watch over the church.
In other words he did what was done at the first. The groups still remained independent as evidenced by the fact that Alma visited the group in the valley of Gideon and they were altogether is a different state than the state of the group in Zarahemla. As an independent body they were keeping the statutes and judgements of God.
Here's a point I would like to make.
If the Lord has independent groups of believers all over the place the adversary must destroy each and every group in order to destroy the work of God. We see this in the contrast between the groups of believers in Zarahemla and the group of believers in Gideon.
If the Lord has one organization with one person at the head dictating everything what does the adversary have to do to destroy the Lord's work? He has only to corrupt one person. That is why Alma and king Mosiah and others preached against a king. It was like having one person in charge at the top.
As I read this the only thing I see Alma doing as the High Priest is to ordain independently functioning teachers and priests, who serve without pay, among a group of believers in which no one is over or better than another. The entire group is flat in structure totally unlike the organized denominations that exist today.
I hope this helps.
Thanks for your thoughts, Jon! I really appreciate you taking the time to discuss this with me. I'm realizing that you were much less lazy in your answers than I was in my question, and I feel a little chagrined about that. Ha ha! I just threw out a couple of chapters, whereas you took the trouble to share actual verses. Interesting points. Thank you!
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