Lehi's Allegory? conclusion

1 Nephi 8:19 - 35, NC 1 Nephi 2 pars. 10 - 12


And I beheld a rod of iron, and it extended along the bank of the river and led to the tree by which I stood. And I also beheld a straight and narrow path which came along by the rod of iron, even to the tree by which I stood; and it also led by the head of the fountain unto a large and spacious field, as if it had been a world. And I saw numberless concourses of people, many of whom were pressing forward that they might obtain the path which led unto the tree by which I stood. And it came to pass that they did come forth and commenced in the path which led to the tree. And it came to pass that there arose a mist of darkness, yea, even an exceeding great mist of darkness, insomuch that they who had commenced in the path did lose their way, that they wandered off and were lost. And it came to pass that I beheld others pressing forward, and they came forth and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press forward through the mists of darkness, clinging to the rod of iron, even until they did come forth and partook of the fruit of the tree. And after they had partaken of the fruit of the tree, they did cast their eyes about as if they were ashamed.  And I also cast my eyes around about and beheld, on the other side of the river of water, a great and spacious building. And it stood as it were in the air, high above the earth. And it was filled with people, both old and young, both male and female, and their manner of dress was exceeding fine; and they were in the attitude of mocking and pointing their fingers towards those who had come up and were partaking of the fruit. And after they had tasted of the fruit, they were ashamed because of those that were a scoffing at them; and they fell away into forbidden paths and were lost.  And now I, Nephi, do not speak all the words of my father. But to be short in writing, behold, he saw other multitudes pressing forward; and they came and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron. And they did press their way forward, continually holding fast to the rod of iron, until they came forth and fell down and partook of the fruit of the tree. And he also saw other multitudes pressing their way towards that great and spacious building. And it came to pass that many were drowned in the depths of the fountain, and many were lost from his view, wandering in strange roads. And great was the multitude that did enter into that strange building. And after they did enter into that building, they did point the finger of scorn at me and those that were partaking of the fruit also. But we heeded them not — thus are the words of my father — for as many as heeded them had fallen away. And Laman and Lemuel partook not of the fruit, said my father.

I apologize for backtracking but there is something I have been thinking about all week that I would like to address concerning the mists of darkness.

The following interpretation from Nephi's account is a description of the mists of darkness. 

In my stupidity I did not include this in the last post.  This is a good example of how much more I need to be familiar with the scriptures.

And the mists of darkness are the temptations of the Devil which blindeth the eyes and hardeneth the hearts of the children of men and leadeth them away into broad roads, that they perish and are lost. (1 Nephi 12:11 - 18, NC 1 Nephi 3 par. 17)

Is it possible though that the reasons the mists blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men who have entered into the path is because they did not watch themselves and their thoughts and their words and their deeds and continue in the faith of Christ?

Am I in such a position?

Is my heart hardened and are my eyes blinded because I have not watched myself and my thoughts and my words and my deeds and I have not continued in the faith of Christ?

Joseph declared the following concerning the Saints of his day and their traditions.

I have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the Saints prepared to receive the things
of God; but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God, will
fly to pieces like glass as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions: they cannot
stand the fire at all. How many will be able to abide a celestial law, and go through and receive
their exaltation, I am unable to say, as many are called, but few are chosen. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pg. 331)

Is it possible that those traditions also play a very large part in the mists of darkness?

If the iron rod, the word of God, includes continuing revelation would those who cling to tradition accept new revelation?

I read a blog post this week that I agree with concerning "Light and Truth"

A passage in the Teachings and Commandments explains God’s glory in these words: “The glory of God is intelligence, or in other words, light and truth. Light and truth forsake that evil one. Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning, and God having redeemed man from the Fall, man became again, in their infant state, innocent before God. And that wicked one comes and takes away light and truth, through disobedience, from the children of men, and because of the tradition of their fathers.” (T&C 93:11.)

Light and truth are another way to define “intelligence.” And “truth” is likewise defined as “knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come.” (T&C 93:8.) Which raises the question of how we can know of things as they are, were, and are to come?

The most obvious source to know of things past, present and in the future is to study scripture. Scriptures require us to have faith enough to believe they are trustworthy. Exercising that degree of faith lets the believer learn about things as they are, were, and are to come, while the unbeliever rejects that opportunity.

The Book of Mormon assumes many readers will disbelieve it. Nephi recorded that Christ posed this question for the reader to contemplate: “Wherefore murmur ye because that ye shall receive more of my word?” (NC 2 Ne. 12:9.) The question is rhetorical, but certainly worth contemplating: Why do we disbelieve something that originated with Christ?

The explanation is in that first statement from the T&C: “[the] wicked one comes and takes away light and truth, through disobedience, from the children of men, and because of the tradition of their fathers.” Rejecting the words of Christ is itself “disobedience.” And justifying that rejection because it is something new and contrary to the “tradition of [your] fathers” is wrong.

The result is that the believer gains more “light and truth” than the one who refuses to believe. They are “more intelligent” because they accept more “light and truth.” (DenverSnuffer.com, "Light and Truth",October 24, 2019)

I apologize for copying and pasting nearly the whole post but I feel it is necessary to see how the scriptures and new revelation fit together.

Why would we murmur because Christ was willing to speak more to us?

Does it match the symbolism of the mists of darkness to equate them with the wicked one taking away light and truth?

As someone turns from the path is their mind darkened?

Does tradition have the effect of blinding eyes and hardening hearts?

Do the traditions of the fathers lead to people being blinded by the mists of darkness because they refuse to take hold of the word of God?

On to this post.

I found something very interesting in the glossary of terms with respect to the iron rod.  I didn't copy into the last post because I want to do so now for consideration.

There are two different words used by Nephi regarding contact with the “iron rod” or word of God. Joseph Smith translated the two words as cling or clinging for one, with hold or holding for the other. The different word use raises the question of meaning. If they meant identical things, then the same word would have been translated. Therefore, there must be a reason for the different words. And it came to pass that I beheld others pressing forward, and they came forth and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press forward through the mists of darkness, clinging to the rod of iron, even until they did come forth and partook of the fruit of the tree (1 Nephi 2:10, emphasis added). Behold, he saw other multitudes pressing forward; and they came and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron. And they did press their way forward, continually holding fast to the rod of iron, until they came forth and fell down and partook of the fruit of the tree (1 Nephi 2:12, emphasis added).
Some catch hold, then cling. Some hold, then hold fast. Both of these different approaches result in the persons reaching the destination, then partaking of the fruit. But they are situated differently as they move along the process. Some are clinging and some are holding as they move toward their destination. To cling implies something frantic, something charged with emotion, and something more desperate than to hold. Holding seems calm, thoughtfully committed, and more methodical than does clinging. From this, it’s possible to conclude that there are at least two kinds of people who will make their way to partake of the fruit of the tree of life in this world. For one group, the process is unnerving, fearful, and emotionally wrenching. They cling on despite earth and hell. They fight to retain their grip, and they make heroic efforts in the opposition they face. They cling because they cannot relent, cannot relax, and know they face peril as they live their lives daily. For them their hopes are kept despite all their fears. They cling because they desire more than the opposition can deter them. For another group, the process is less emotional, but nonetheless filled with determination. They are not as charged with fear, but face what comes to them calmly and with the assurance that the Lord’s word is in their hands and will be a refuge that will bring them to eternal life. There is another, more likely possibility, as well. There are not two groups, but only one. From time to time everyone faces moments of difficulty. The only way to stay with the rod is to cling. Then the seasons change, the storm relents, and calm returns. During those times when life improves, the person can continue to hold and move forward, but they have purchased the season of calm by the things they have endured in faith. Now they know it is only necessary to hold on, and all things will come to them. There is not a life that gets lived without challenge, difficulty, and seasons of despair. Everyone will at times be required to cling, and at other times have the ability to hold the course. Whether it is the one season or the other, however, at the end of the journey one may be able to lay hold on eternal life. (T&C, Glossary of terms, "Iron Rod")

As we consider this from the glossary of terms I would like to again visit the definition of the meaning of the tree from Lehi's vision.

Nephi gives the definition during his recording of his view of the very same vision.

And I looked, and I beheld the Son of God a going forth among the children of men; and I saw many fall down at his feet and worship him. And it came to pass that I beheld that the rod of iron which my father had seen was the word of God, which led to the fountain of living waters, or to the tree of life, which waters are a representation of the love of God. And I also beheld that the tree of life was a representation of the love of God. (1 Nephi 11:24 - 25, NC 1 Nephi 3 par. 10)

Before I continue let me express that I don't want to impose any meaning on the record to suit my understanding.

I do not want to fall back into my patterns of reading something into the record and therefore disqualifying myself from receiving understanding from the record; letting it inform me.

At this point, my opinion is that the tree of life in the vision, from what I understand of what Nephi stated, is different than the Tree of Life mentioned elsewhere in the scriptures.

Let me be clear that that is my opinion at the moment and I am ready to discard that opinion if I am persuaded that it is incorrect.

At present my opinion and understanding is that the tree in the vision does not represent eternal life, though I do fully agree with the entry in the glossary of terms that holding to the iron rod will allow one at the end of the journey to lay hold on eternal life.

From my point of view I don't see that the entry from the glossary of terms leads to a definition of the tree in Lehi's vision as being eternal life.

Is it possible that the symbolism of the path, the rod and partaking of the fruit is not meant to symbolize a completion of the journey or the end of the journey?

Again I don't want to impose something on to the record. I am grappling with things that are new to me again.  I am merely sharing my present understanding.

A good sister in our little Book of Mormon study group brought something up that I had never considered before as we read this part of the vision.

And it came to pass that I beheld others pressing forward, and they came forth and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press forward through the mists of darkness, clinging to the rod of iron, even until they did come forth and partook of the fruit of the tree. And after they had partaken of the fruit of the tree, they did cast their eyes about as if they were ashamed.

This is the first group that Lehi describes coming to the tree to partake of the fruit.

Then Lehi saw

And after they had tasted of the fruit, they were ashamed because of those that were a scoffing at them; and they fell away into forbidden paths and were lost.

There is a difference between the first group coming to the tree and the second group that this good sister pointed out may be why the second group did not become ashamed.

behold, he saw other multitudes pressing forward; and they came and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron. And they did press their way forward, continually holding fast to the rod of iron, until they came forth and fell down and partook of the fruit of the tree.

The second group "fell down" and partook of the fruit of the tree.

What symbolism is there about "falling down"?

One option is that they were exhausted and could barely make it to the tree.

Another option is that they were filled with humility and meekness and so they fell down and worshipped and were able to partake of the fruit and give no heed to those who were mocking.

Do we see an example of these things in the scriptures?

In the book of 3 Nephi we have the account of the nations of the Nephites and Lamanites being plagued by the Gaddianton robbers.

The plague came to such a critical point that the head of the robbers sent a letter to the governor of the Nephites demanding surrender.

And now behold, this Lachoneus, the governor, was a just man, and could not be frightened by the demands and the threatenings of a robber. Therefore, he did not hearken to the epistle of Giddianhi, the governor of the robbers, but he did cause that his people should cry unto the Lord for strength against the time that the robbers should come down against them. Yea, he sent a proclamation among all the people that they should gather together their women and their children, their flocks and their herds, and all their substance save it were their land, unto one place. And he caused that fortifications should be built round about them and the strength thereof should be exceeding great. And he caused that there should be armies, both of the Nephites and of the Lamanites (or of all them who were numbered among the Nephites) should be placed as guards round about, to watch them and to guard them from the robbers, day and night. Yea, he said unto them, As the Lord liveth, except ye repent of all your iniquities and cry unto the Lord, that they would in no wise be delivered out of the hands of those Gaddianton robbers. And so great and marvelous were the words and prophecies of Lachoneus that they did cause fear to come upon all the people; and they did exert themselves in their might to do according to the words of Lachoneus. (3 Nephi 3:11 - 16, NC 3 Nephi 2 par. 3)

Notice that Lachoneus preached repentance in order to obtain deliverance from the robbers.

Could we reasonably believe that what Lachoneus was teaching would have had an effect to move the people of Nephi to enter into the path?

Could this account show a point of decision for a nation as to whether they would move to the one side or the other of the fountain of filthy water that Lehi saw in vision that divided those in the path and at the tree from the others?

Is the Nephite nation at the head of the fountain of waters at this point in their history?

We know that because the people heeded the words of Lachoneus that they were delivered in a miraculous way.

When their deliverance was complete we read the following.

And they did rejoice and cry again with one voice, saying, May the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, protect this people in righteousness so long as they shall call on the name of their God for protection! And it came to pass that they did break forth, all as one, in singing and praising their God for the great thing which he had done for them in preserving them from falling into the hands of their enemies. Yea, they did cry, Hosanna to the Most High God! And they did cry, Blessed be the name of the Lord God Almighty, the Most High God! And their hearts were swollen with joy unto the gushing out of many tears because of the great goodness of God in delivering them out of the hands of their enemies. And they knew it was because of their repentance and their humility that they had been delivered from an everlasting destruction. And now behold, there was not a living soul among all the people of the Nephites who did doubt in the least the words of all the holy prophets which had been spoken, for they knew that it must needs be that they must be fulfilled. And they knew it must be expedient that Christ had come, because of the many signs which had been given according to the words of the prophets. And because of the things which had come to pass already, they knew it must needs be that all things should come to pass according to that which had been spoken. Therefore, they did forsake all their sins, and their abominations, and their whoredoms, and did serve God with all diligence, day and night. (3 Nephi 4:27 - 3 Nephi 5:3, NC 3 Nephi 2 par. 14)

Did you catch that?

They "knew" that it was because of their travel in the path (repentance and humility) that they had been delivered.

Is it possible that at this point they all came to the tree in Lehi's vision and partook of the fruit?

What was in them for every living soul to not doubt in the least the words of all the holy prophets which had been spoken?

What was in them for all of them to forsake all their sins, and their abominations, and their whoredoms, to serve God with all diligence, day and night.?

Was there another group among the Nephites who were filled the same way and did the same things?

And now it came to pass that when king Benjamin had thus spoken to his people, he sent among them, desiring to know of his people if they believed the words which he had spoken unto them. And they all cried with one voice, saying, Yea, we believe all the words which thou hast spoken unto us! And also, we know of their surety and truth because of the spirit of the Lord Omnipotent, which has wrought a mighty change in us, or in our hearts, that we have no more disposition to do evil, but to do good continually. And we, ourselves, also through the infinite goodness of God and the manifestations of his spirit, have great views of that which is to come; and were it expedient, we could prophesy of all things. And it is the faith which we have had on the things which our king has spoken unto us that has brought us to this great knowledge, whereby we do rejoice with such exceeding great joy. And we are willing to enter into a covenant with our God to do his will, and to be obedient to his commandments in all things that he shall command us, all the remainder of our days, that we may not bring upon ourselves a never-ending torment as has been spoken by the angel, that we may not drink out of the cup of the wrath of God. (Mosiah 5;1 - 5, NC Mosiah 3 par. 1)

Is it possible that what occurred to King Benjamin's people and what occurred to the Nephites under Lachoneus is the same thing?

Was there exceeding great joy in both accounts?

Does Lehi talk about the fruit filling one with exceeding great joy?

Did both groups follow the Doctrine of Christ in order to arrive at these moments where they had no more disposition to do evil but to do good continually?

Could these accounts be recorded events of entire peoples partaking of the fruit of the tree that Lehi saw?

If so, is it possible to lose this great gift that is given; that of receiving of the gift of the fruit of the tree of life?

This is a continuation of the account of the people of Lachoneus.

And now it came to pass that the people of the Nephites did all return to their own lands in the twenty and sixth year, every man with his family, his flocks and his herds, his horses and his cattle, and all things whatsoever did belong unto them. And it came to pass that they had not eaten up all their provisions, therefore they did take with them all that they had not devoured of all their grain of every kind, and their gold, and their silver, and all their precious things, and they did return to their own lands and their possessions, both on the north and on the south, both on the land northward and on the land southward. And they granted unto those robbers who had entered into a covenant to keep the peace of the land (who were desirous to remain Lamanites) lands according to their numbers, that they might have, with their labors, wherewith to subsist upon. And thus they did establish peace in all the land, and they began again to prosper and to wax great. And the twenty and sixth and seventh years passed away and there was great order in the land, and they had formed their laws according to equity and justice. And now there was nothing in all the land to hinder the people from prospering continually except they should fall into transgression. And now it was Gidgiddoni, and the judge Lachoneus, and those who had been appointed leaders who had established this great peace in the land. And it came to pass that there were many cities built anew, and there were many old cities repaired, and there were many highways cast up and many roads made which led from city to city, and from land to land, and from place to place. And thus passed away the twenty and eighth year, and the people had continual peace. But it came to pass in the twenty and ninth year, there began to be some disputings among the people; and some were lifted up unto pride and boastings because of their exceeding great riches, yea, even unto great persecutions, for there were many merchants in the land, and also many lawyers and many officers. And the people began to be distinguished by ranks according to their riches and their chance for learning — yea, some were ignorant because of their poverty, and others did receive great learning because of their riches. Some were lifted up in pride, and others were exceeding humble; some did return railing for railing, while others would receive railing, and persecution, and all manner of afflictions, and would not turn and revile again, but were humble and penitent before God. And thus there became a great unequality in all the land, insomuch that the church began to be broken up, yea, insomuch that in the thirtieth year, the church was broken up in all the land, save it were among a few of the Lamanites who were converted unto the true faith; and they would not depart from it, for they were firm, and steadfast, and immovable, willing with all diligence to keep the commandments of the Lord. Now the cause of this iniquity of the people was this: Satan had great power unto the stirring up of the people to do all manner of iniquity and to the puffing them up with pride, tempting them to seek for power, and authority, and riches, and the vain things of the world. And thus Satan did lead away the hearts of the people to do all manner of iniquity; therefore, they had not enjoyed peace but a few years. And thus in the commencement of the thirtieth year — the people having been delivered up for the space of a long time to be carried about by the temptations of the Devil, whithersoever he desired to carry them, and to do whatsoever iniquity he desired they should — and thus in the commencement of this, the thirtieth year, they were in a state of awful wickedness. Now they did not sin ignorantly, for they knew the will of God concerning them, for it had been taught unto them; therefore, they did willfully rebel against God. (3 Nephi 6:1 - 18, NC 3 Nephi 3 pars. 1 - 3)

Lehi talks of a great and spacious building in the air with no foundation filled with those in fine apparel mocking those partaking of the fruit.

Nephi gives us an interpretation of the building.

And the large and spacious building which thy father saw is vain imaginations and the pride of the children of men. (1 Nephi 11:32 - 36, NC 1 Nephi 3 par. 14)

Would the things that exist in the great and spacious building Lehi saw match what is described here; disputations, pride, boastings, persecutions, exceeding great riches, chances for learning, railing on others, returning railings, unequality, seeking for power, seeking for authority, vain things of the world?

The record says that every last soul initially felt the joy as they were delivered.

Could we reasonably state that every last soul partook of the fruit of the tree that Lehi saw?

In this group we see two divisions.

One part is overtaken by the things that belong to the great and spacious building Lehi saw.

Could we reasonably state that this group after having partaken of the fruit of the tree looked around as if they were ashamed because of the mocking coming from the great and spacious building or in other words they were drawn away from the fruit and towards those things that were contrary to the fruit; those things that exist in the great and spacious building?

The other part manifests a different spirit.

The record states that the other group would not return railing for railing but they were humble and penitent before God.

They were with the Lamanites who were firm and steadfast and immovable, willing with all diligence to keep the commandments of God.

Could we reasonably equate this group with those who had fallen down and partaken of the fruit?

Could we state that this group gave no heed to the scoffing but continued to partake of the fruit?

The record says of the first group that they did not sin ignorantly but they willfully rebelled against God.

Is it possible that this event equates to what Lehi described in his vision?

And after they had tasted of the fruit, they were ashamed because of those that were a scoffing at them; and they fell away into forbidden paths and were lost.

If someone falls to those things that are part of the great and spacious building after having partaken of the fruit could it be said concerning them that they fell into forbidden paths and were lost because they have at this point willfully rebelled against God after knowing the will of God concerning them?

Can the phrase to be ashamed of something imply something other than embarrassment?

Can the phrase to be ashamed of something imply turning from something?

Is it necessary to have actual people pointing fingers and scorning for mocking to occur?

Isn't the mere existence of the things of the great and spacious building something that mocks at what one can receive from the tree in Lehi's vision?

Is this why the commentary of the Father as recorded by Nephi in his explanation of the Doctrine of Christ is so important?

And I heard a voice from the Father saying, Yea, the words of my beloved are true and faithful. He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. And now my beloved brethren, I know by this that unless a man shall endure to the end in following the example of the Son of the living God, he cannot be saved. (2 Nephi 31:14 - 18, NC 2 Nephi 13 par. 3)

Lehi, in finishing the description of his vision, states that multitudes pressed their way to the great and spacious building.

How many people are in just one multitude?

Does the vision imply that for the most part the majority of the human family will not even attempt to enter the path?

Many did not even make it to the building but were drowned in the filthy water and also lost in strange paths.

Looking at this situation two questions come to mind

1) What does it mean to drown in the filthy water while pressing towards the great and spacious building?

Nephi said the following concerning the filthy water.

What meaneth the river of water which our father saw? And I said unto them that the water which my father saw was filthiness; and so much was his mind swallowed up in other things that he beheld not the filthiness of the water. And I said unto them that it was an awful gulf which separateth the wicked from the tree of life, and also from the saints of God. And I said unto them that it was a representation of that awful hell which the angel said unto me was prepared for the wicked. And I said unto them that our father also saw that the justice of God did also divide the wicked from the righteous, and the brightness thereof was like unto the brightness of a flaming fire which ascendeth up unto God for ever and ever and hath no end. (1 Nephi 15:21 - 30, NC 1 Nephi 4 par. 5)

With the interpretation of the waters given by Nephi could we say that many who pressed towards the great and spacious building who drowned in the filthy waters were overcome by that awful hell created for the wicked?

Do we have a possible example of this?

Mormon recorded the following at the end of the Nephite nation.

And it came to pass that I did go forth among the Nephites and did repent of the oath which I had made that I would no more assist them. And they gave me command again of their armies, for they looked upon me as though I could deliver them from their afflictions. But behold, I was without hope, for I knew the judgments of the Lord which should come upon them; for they repented not of their iniquities, but did struggle for their lives without calling upon that Being who had created them. (Mormon 5:1 - 7, NC Mormon 2 par. 4)

Is it a hell to struggle for one's life without calling on God?

Without repentance from our iniquities can there be any joy?

Would being in such a situation "drown" a person so to speak?

2) Why is Lehi specific to mention that there were those who were pressing towards the building who were lost in "strange" roads instead of  in "forbidden" paths?

Is walking in a "forbidden" path worse than walking in a "strange" road.

If a path is "forbidden" are there serious consequences for walking in that path, in addition to the path not getting you to where you need to go?

If you are in a strange road does that imply that it will not get you to where you need to go but no additional condemnation is added for being in that road?

Isn't it curious that there are those who are drowned in that hell or lost in strange roads that do not make it to the building?

What does that mean?

Is it important that those drowned in the filthy water or lost in the strange roads not a part of pointing the finger of scorn?

Is there something additionally bad about being in a position of pointing a finger of scorn?

Why is it that those on the strange roads do not point the finger of scorn?

What is it that would put one in a position to point the finger of scorn?

And the large and spacious building which thy father saw is vain imaginations and the pride of the children of men. And a great and a terrible gulf divideth them, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God and Messiah who is the Lamb of God, of whom the holy ghost beareth record from the beginning of the world until this time, and from this time henceforth and for ever. (1 Nephi 12:11 - 18, NC 1 Nephi 3 par. 17)

Do I possess pride?

Do I point the finger of scorn?

What are vain imaginations?

Do I possess vain imaginations?

If I find myself in this state what can I expect if I do not repent?

And the multitude of the earth was gathered together, and I beheld that they were in a large and spacious building, like unto the building which my father saw. And the angel of the Lord spake unto me again, saying, Behold, the world and the wisdom thereof; yea, behold, the house of Israel hath gathered together to fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And it came to pass that I saw and bear record that the great and spacious building was the pride of the world; and the fall thereof was exceeding great. And the angel of the Lord spake unto me, saying, Thus shall be the destruction of all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, that shall fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb.(1 Nephi 11:32 - 36, NC 1 Nephi 3 par. 14)

What is entailed in fighting against the twelve apostles of the Lamb?

Is it possible for me to find myself doing just that?

If I embrace or participate in those things mentioned among the Nephites during the time of Lachoneus following their deliverance from the robbers am I fighting against the twelve apostles of the Lamb?

In the glossary of terms I read the following as a definition for destruction or to destroy.

Destroy

In the vernacular of the Book of Mormon, to destroy did not mean annihilation. It merely meant to end the organized existence of a people or to terminate their government, deprive them of a land, and end their cultural dominance. In the Book of Mormon, a people were destroyed when they lost control over their government and land. Their ability to preserve their own values and choose the way they were governed was taken over by others. Most often it was from a different ethnic group, though not always. Once people were destroyed, they were oppressed and suffered. Often they were oppressed with grievous taxes and had religious liberties removed. Then they faced a choice: either repent, in which case they came through the period of oppression with another chance; or if they were angry and rebellious, they would then be “swept away.” Being destroyed is not at all the same as being “swept away.” It is possible for people to have been destroyed and not even realize it. But when they are “swept away,” they face extinction and cannot help but notice it. (T&C glossary of terms, "Destroy")

If I use the above definition for destruction, then if I am embroiled in those things belonging to the great and spacious building can I expect to come into bondage of one sort or another?

I have often wondered if Lehi's vision is an overall view of what different paths or objectives if pursued to the end will end up at.

How does repentance fit in?

Even if a choice has been made ad the head of the filthy waters to pursue the direction of the building or end up in a strange road can a person repent and return to the head of the filthy waters and then decide to enter the path?

It would appear that once on the path or at the tree that to turn from righteousness at that point entails receiving a much greater condemnation.

Is it possible to repent even at that point?

Is there a point of no return?

The prophet Joseph stated the following.

The doctrine that the Presbyterians and Methodists have quarreled so much about—once in
grace, always in grace, or falling away from grace, I will say a word about. They are both wrong.
Truth takes a road between them both, for while the Presbyterian says: “Once in grace, you cannot
fall”; the Methodist says: “You can have grace today, fall from it tomorrow, next day have grace
again; and so follow on, changing continually.” But the doctrine of the Scriptures and the spirit of Elijah would show them both false, and take a road between them both; for, according to the Scripture, if men have received the good word of God, and tasted of the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, it is impossible to renew them again, seeing they have crucified the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame; so there is a possibility of falling away; you could not be renewed again, and the power of Elijah cannot seal against this sin, for this is a reserve made in the seals and power of the Priesthood. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pgs. 338 - 339)

Is this state portrayed in Lehi's vision?

Lehi closes with what I perceive to be the only safe course.

And after they did enter into that building, they did point the finger of scorn at me and those that were partaking of the fruit also. But we heeded them not — 

What gave Lehi and the others the power to heed not the fingers of scorn?

Again I looked at a definition in the glossary of terms that seems to shed some light on this.

Temptation

All can fill themselves with the mind of God, and if they do so, they will find themselves, as the scriptures recite, having no more disposition to do evil, but to do good continually (Mosiah 3:1). This kind of repentance comes as a consequence of the things one knows, as a consequence of the light and truth within one. It causes temptation to disappear because one gives it no heed. This is how the Lord overcame all temptations. He suffered temptations, but gave no heed unto them (JSH 16:6). When someone “gives heed” to his temptations, he loses the battle our Lord won. It is possible to live in a world filled with sin and avoid becoming embroiled in the errors. “Do not let your eyes focus on the wickedness you see around you, but look up to Heaven and the example of Heaven’s God, where there is no corruption.”(T&C Glossary of terms, "Temptation")

It would appear that the only safe course to pursue is to continue to partake of the fruit which I believe is a symbol of light and truth; making the connection to the mind of God greater and greater.

Nephi, in his description of the Doctrine of Christ states the following.

And now behold, my beloved brethren, I suppose that ye ponder somewhat in your hearts concerning that which ye should do after ye have entered in by the way. But behold, why do ye ponder these things in your hearts? Do ye not remember that I said unto you that after ye had received the holy ghost, ye could speak with the tongue of angels? And now, how could ye speak with the tongue of angels save it were by the holy ghost? Angels speak by the power of the holy ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, Feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do. Wherefore, now after I have spoken these words, if ye cannot understand them, it will be because ye ask not, neither do ye knock. Wherefore, ye are not brought into the light, but must perish in the dark. For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way and receive the holy ghost, it will shew unto you all things what ye should do. Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do. (2 Nephi 32:1 - 6, NC 2 Nephi 14 par. 1)

Nephi states that those feasting on the words of Christ, those who have received the holy ghost, all things that they should do will be shown unto them.

Could this be an interpretation of continuing to partake of the fruit of the tree and not giving heed to the finger of scorn?

Nephi speaks of a time for anyone who follows this path where the Doctrine of Christ will be complete in the life of the faithful individual and Christ will appear to them in the flesh and then He, Christ, will teach them what they should observe to do.

If Lehi's vision is an allegory for the Doctrine of Christ as explained by Nephi then does Lehi's vision portray this event of the Lord appearing in the flesh to individuals or is that something that happens further along and not portrayed?

It is so hard to boil things down in such a limited format.  I am sure there is so much more to look at and to consider.  I hope that I may have many opportunities to learn from the Lord and to converse with others to gain new understanding concerning these things.

Lehi's Allegory? part 1

1 Nephi 8:19 - 35, NC 1 Nephi 2 pars. 10 - 12


And I beheld a rod of iron, and it extended along the bank of the river and led to the tree by which I stood. And I also beheld a straight and narrow path which came along by the rod of iron, even to the tree by which I stood; and it also led by the head of the fountain unto a large and spacious field, as if it had been a world. And I saw numberless concourses of people, many of whom were pressing forward that they might obtain the path which led unto the tree by which I stood. And it came to pass that they did come forth and commenced in the path which led to the tree. And it came to pass that there arose a mist of darkness, yea, even an exceeding great mist of darkness, insomuch that they who had commenced in the path did lose their way, that they wandered off and were lost. And it came to pass that I beheld others pressing forward, and they came forth and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press forward through the mists of darkness, clinging to the rod of iron, even until they did come forth and partook of the fruit of the tree. And after they had partaken of the fruit of the tree, they did cast their eyes about as if they were ashamed.  And I also cast my eyes around about and beheld, on the other side of the river of water, a great and spacious building. And it stood as it were in the air, high above the earth. And it was filled with people, both old and young, both male and female, and their manner of dress was exceeding fine; and they were in the attitude of mocking and pointing their fingers towards those who had come up and were partaking of the fruit. And after they had tasted of the fruit, they were ashamed because of those that were a scoffing at them; and they fell away into forbidden paths and were lost.  And now I, Nephi, do not speak all the words of my father. But to be short in writing, behold, he saw other multitudes pressing forward; and they came and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron. And they did press their way forward, continually holding fast to the rod of iron, until they came forth and fell down and partook of the fruit of the tree. And he also saw other multitudes pressing their way towards that great and spacious building. And it came to pass that many were drowned in the depths of the fountain, and many were lost from his view, wandering in strange roads. And great was the multitude that did enter into that strange building. And after they did enter into that building, they did point the finger of scorn at me and those that were partaking of the fruit also. But we heeded them not — thus are the words of my father — for as many as heeded them had fallen away. And Laman and Lemuel partook not of the fruit, said my father.

As we look at the events occurring in Lehi's vision is it possible that it is an allegory for the Doctrine of Christ as explained by Nephi?

As we look at the parts of Lehi's vision and compare them with Nephi's explanation of the Doctrine of Christ, which includes commentary from both the Father and the Son, do things line up?

Lehi describes many individuals who "commenced" in the path.

What does Nephi have to say about entering into the path or "commencing" in the path?

And now, if the Lamb of God, he being holy, should have need to be baptized by water to fulfill all righteousness, Oh, then, how much more need have we, being unholy, to be baptized, yea, even by water? And now I would ask of you, my beloved brethren, wherein the Lamb of God did fulfill all righteousness in being baptized by water? Know ye not that he was holy? But notwithstanding he being holy, he sheweth unto the children of men that according to the flesh he humbleth himself before the Father, and witnesseth unto the Father that he would be obedient unto him in keeping his commandments. Wherefore, after he was baptized with water, the holy ghost descended upon him in the form of a dove. And again, it sheweth unto the children of men the straitness of the path and the narrowness of the gate by which they should enter, he having set the example before them. (2 Nephi 31:7 - 9, NC 2 Nephi 13 par. 2)

The first thing Nephi shares is that the Savior followed the path and did so even though He was holy in order to set the example.

 And he said unto the children of men, Follow thou me. (2 Nephi 31:10, NC 2 Nephi 13: par. 2)

All are invited to follow the Savior along this strait path.

Nephi continues

 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, can we follow Jesus save we shall be willing to keep the commandments of the Father? And the Father said, Repent ye, repent ye, and be baptized in the name of my Beloved Son. And also the voice of the Son came unto me, saying, He that is baptized in my name, to him will the Father give the holy ghost like unto me. Wherefore, follow me and do the things which ye have seen me do. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, I know that if ye shall follow the Son with full purpose of heart, acting no hypocrisy and no deception before God, but with real intent, repenting of your sins, witnessing unto the Father that ye are willing to take upon you the name of Christ by baptism — yea, by following your Lord and Savior down into the water according to his word — behold, then shall ye receive the holy ghost. Yea, then cometh the baptism of fire and of the holy ghost, and then can ye speak with the tongue of angels and shout praises unto the Holy One of Israel. But behold, my beloved brethren, thus came the voice of the Son unto me, saying, After ye have repented of your sins, and witnessed unto the Father that ye are willing to keep my commandments by the baptism of water, and have received the baptism of fire and of the holy ghost, and can speak with a new tongue — yea, even with the tongue of angels — and after this should deny me, it would have been better for you that ye had not known me. And I heard a voice from the Father saying, Yea, the words of my beloved are true and faithful. He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. And now my beloved brethren, I know by this that unless a man shall endure to the end in following the example of the Son of the living God, he cannot be saved. Wherefore, do the things which I have told you I have seen that your Lord and your Redeemer should do; for, for this cause have they been shewn unto me: that ye might know the gate by which ye should enter. For the gate by which ye should enter is repentance and baptism by water, and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the holy ghost. And then are ye in this straight and narrow path which leads to eternal life. (2 Nephi 31:10 - 18, NC 2 Nephi 13 par. 3) 

For those in Lehi's vision who commenced in the path that led to the tree is this what got them onto the path?

Is it possible that the vision given to Lehi is describing through symbolism what Nephi is talking about here; repentance, following the Lord into the waters of baptism without hypocrisy and receiving afterwards the gift of the holy ghost from the Father?

When Lehi states in the vision, And it came to pass that there arose a mist of darkness, yea, even an exceeding great mist of darkness, insomuch that they who had commenced in the path did lose their way, that they wandered off and were lost. (1 Nephi 8:19 - 35, NC 1 Nephi 2 pars. 10 - 12), is he speaking of those who, after they have received the gift of the holy ghost and can speak with the tongue of angels, have then denied the Savior?

What could happen to an individual to make them turn from the Lord after having had that marvelous experience?

Do we have any examples of this?

Is their state really worse than if they had never known the Lord?

When the sons of Mosiah were instrumental in the conversion of the thousands of the Lamanites the other unconverted Lamanites and the Nephite dissenters came among them and began to slay them.

This is what is recorded concerning that event and those who slew the converted Lamanites.

Now the greatest number of those of the Lamanites who slew so many of their brethren were Amlicites and Amulonites, the greatest number of whom were after the order of the Nehors. Now among those who joined the people of the Lord, there were none who were Amlicites, or Amulonites, or who were after the order of Nehor, but they were actual descendants of Laman and Lemuel. And thus we can plainly discern that after a people have been once enlightened by the spirit of God, and have had great knowledge of things pertaining to righteousness, and then have fallen away into sin and transgression, they become more hardened; and thus their state becomes worse than if they had never known these things. (Alma 24:26 - 30, NC Alma 14 par. 12)

In the New Testament we further read from Peter to the saints concerning this condition of having had righteousness and turning from it.

For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning, for it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb: The dog is turned to his own vomit again, and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.(2 Peter, NC 2 Peter 1 par. 10)

Is it possible that this is what Lehi is seeing as he views mists of darkness overcoming those who have commenced upon the path through repentance, baptism and the reception of the holy ghost that God promises to give to one who enters the path?

If someone turns from righteousness after having received it can it be said of them that they wandered off and were lost because their final state is worse?

Is this at all related to the Savior's statement, No man having put his hand to the plow and looking back is fit for the kingdom of God.(Luke 9:57 - 62, NC Luke 8 par. 2)?

What could the mists of darkness represent?

I used to think they basically represented sex, drugs and rock and roll.

Now I believe that there is much more to them than that.

After the marvelous experience had by King Benjamin's people he declared something that I believe more aptly describes what the mists of darkness represent.

And finally, I cannot tell you all the things whereby ye may commit sin; for there are divers ways and means, even so many that I cannot number them. But this much I can tell you, that if ye do not watch yourselves, and your thoughts, and your words, and your deeds, and observe to keep the commandments of God, and continue in the faith of what ye have heard concerning the coming of our Lord, even unto the end of your lives, ye must perish. And now, O man, remember and perish not.(Mosiah 4:26 - 30, NC Mosiah 2 par. 6)

Is it possible that those overcome by the mists of darkness after having entered into the path are overcome because they have not watched themselves, and their thoughts, and their words and their deeds, and they have not observed to keep the commandments of God (this is a huge topic; the commandments of God) and have not continued in the faith of what they had learned concerning Jesus Christ?

Alma the younger asked some questions to those who were part of the church in Zarahemla who had originally been cleansed and commenced on the path.

And now behold, I say unto you, my brethren, if ye have experienced a change of heart, and if ye have felt to sing the song of redeeming love, I would ask, can ye feel so now? Have ye walked keeping yourselves blameless before God? Could ye say — if ye were called to die at this time — within yourselves that ye have been sufficiently humble, that your garments have been cleansed and made white through the blood of Christ, who will come to redeem his people from their sins? Behold, are ye stripped of pride? I say unto you, if ye are not, ye are not prepared to meet God. Behold, ye must prepare quickly; for the kingdom of Heaven is soon at hand, and such an one hath not eternal life. Behold, I say, is there one among you who is not stripped of envy? I say unto you that such an one is not prepared. And I would that he should prepare quickly, for the hour is close at hand; and he knoweth not when the time shall come, for such an one is not found guiltless.(Alma 5:26 - 29, NC Alma 3 par. 5)

Could these questions Alma asked be related to not watching oneself and ones' words and ones' deeds and failing to continue in the faith of Christ?

Is it possible that this is what Lehi is seeing represented here?

After the symbolism of the first group being overcome by the mists of darkness Lehi sees another group coming forward.

And it came to pass that I beheld others pressing forward, and they came forth and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press forward through the mists of darkness, clinging to the rod of iron, even until they did come forth and partook of the fruit of the tree.

What is the represented by the iron rod?

Nephi declared to Laman and Lemuel,

And they said unto me, What meaneth the rod of iron which our father saw that led to the tree? And I said unto them that it was the word of God, and that whoso would hearken unto the word of God and would hold fast unto it, they would never perish, neither could the temptations and the fiery darts of the adversary overpower them unto blindness, to lead them away to destruction. (1 Nephi 15:21 - 30, NC 1 Nephi 4 par. 5)

What is entailed in the word of God?

Does what Nephi describes line up with the word of God that the iron rod represents?

Nephi asks a question to those who have commenced in the path so to speak?

And now my beloved brethren, after ye have gotten into this straight and narrow path, I would ask if all is done. Behold, I say unto you, nay, for ye have not come thus far save it were by the word of Christ, with unshaken faith in him, relying wholly upon the merits of him who is mighty to save. Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life. (2 Nephi 31:19 - 20, NC 2 Nephi 13 par. 4)

Is it possible that the symbolism of the first group being overcome by the mists of darkness is meant to show what will inevitably happen if we consider that all is done once we commence on the path?

Is the next group catching hold of the iron rod and pressing forward through the mists meant to represent people pressing forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men?

Are these people who are feasting upon the word of Christ?

What does it mean to have a steadfastness in Christ?

Samuel, speaking of the converted Lamanites while preaching on the wall, declared,

But behold, my brethren, the Lamanites hath he hated because their deeds have been evil continually, and this because of the iniquity of the tradition of their fathers. But behold, salvation hath come unto them through the preaching of the Nephites, and for this intent hath the Lord prolonged their days. And I would that ye should behold that the more part of them are in the path of their duty, and they do walk circumspectly before God, and they do observe to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, according to the law of Moses. Yea, I say unto you that the more part of them are doing this, and they are striving, with unwearied diligence, that they may bring the remainder of their brethren to the knowledge of the truth; therefore, there are many who do add to their numbers daily. And behold, ye do know of yourselves, for ye have witnessed it, that as many of them as are brought to the knowledge of the truth, and to know of the wicked and abominable traditions of their fathers, and are led to believe the holy scriptures — yea, the prophecies of the holy prophets which are written, which leadeth them to faith on the Lord and unto repentance, which faith and repentance bringeth a change of heart unto them — therefore, as many as have come to this, ye know of yourselves, are firm and steadfast in the faith, and in the thing wherewith they have been made free. And ye know also that they have buried their weapons of war, and they fear to take them up lest by any means they shall sin. Yea, ye can see that they fear to sin, for behold, they will suffer themselves that they be trodden down and slain by their enemies, and will not lift their swords against them, and this because of their faith in Christ. (Helaman 15:10 - 17, NC Helaman 5 par 16)

Did the converted Lamanites exhibit a steadfastness in Christ?

What does it mean to have a perfect brightness of hope?

We talked about "hope" in the post "I Fear Exceedingly for Laman and Lemuel".

Is that the perfect brightness of hope Nephi is talking about?

Did the Lamanites described above exhibit a brightness of hope by striving with unwearied diligence to bring the rest of the Lamanites to the knowledge of the truth?

Is there a promise from God given to an individual as an individual presses forward on the path?

Isn't it God's promises that give hope because His promises are sure even though they are future?

If one possesses a perfect brightness of hope are they pressing forward relying on and fixing their course based upon the promises of God?

What does it mean to feast upon the words of Christ?

Where are the words of Christ found?

Are the words of Christ the same thing as the word of God?

In the T&C glossary of terms we read this concerning the iron rod.

Iron Rod

The word of God (1 Nephi 3:10; 1 Nephi 4:5), as seen in vision by both Lehi and Nephi; the path back to the tree of life is found in the revelations from God, as contained, in large measure, in the scriptures. Scriptures are of vital importance to mankind. Nephi has an angel instructing him, as well as Christ being shown to him, and the message includes this specific teaching about the importance of revelations and the scriptures.

Continuing on in his teachings of the Doctrine of Christ Nephi declares this concerning feasting on the words of Christ.

And now behold, my beloved brethren, I suppose that ye ponder somewhat in your hearts concerning that which ye should do after ye have entered in by the way. But behold, why do ye ponder these things in your hearts? Do ye not remember that I said unto you that after ye had received the holy ghost, ye could speak with the tongue of angels? And now, how could ye speak with the tongue of angels save it were by the holy ghost? Angels speak by the power of the holy ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, Feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do. (2 Nephi 32:1 - 6, NC 2 Nephi 14 par. 1)

Are the words delivered by angels also included in the words of Christ?

Did Nephi give heed to the scriptures and revelations from God and did he receive the words of God delivered by angels as well as he walked the path?

Mormon declared that angels appear to those who have a firm mind in every form of godliness.(Moroni 7:29 - 34, NC Moroni 7 par. 6)

Would someone pressing forward with a steadfastness in Christ and a perfect brightness of hope have a firm mind in every form of godliness?

Is it possible that the iron rod Lehi is seeing is a representation of what Nephi is describing about what one must do to press forward upon the path without being overcome by the mists of darkness?

The Human Family and the Path

1 Nephi 8:19 - 35, NC 1 Nephi 2 pars. 10 - 12


And I beheld a rod of iron, and it extended along the bank of the river and led to the tree by which I stood. And I also beheld a straight and narrow path which came along by the rod of iron, even to the tree by which I stood; and it also led by the head of the fountain unto a large and spacious field, as if it had been a world. And I saw numberless concourses of people, many of whom were pressing forward that they might obtain the path which led unto the tree by which I stood. And it came to pass that they did come forth and commenced in the path which led to the tree. And it came to pass that there arose a mist of darkness, yea, even an exceeding great mist of darkness, insomuch that they who had commenced in the path did lose their way, that they wandered off and were lost. And it came to pass that I beheld others pressing forward, and they came forth and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press forward through the mists of darkness, clinging to the rod of iron, even until they did come forth and partook of the fruit of the tree. And after they had partaken of the fruit of the tree, they did cast their eyes about as if they were ashamed.  And I also cast my eyes around about and beheld, on the other side of the river of water, a great and spacious building. And it stood as it were in the air, high above the earth. And it was filled with people, both old and young, both male and female, and their manner of dress was exceeding fine; and they were in the attitude of mocking and pointing their fingers towards those who had come up and were partaking of the fruit. And after they had tasted of the fruit, they were ashamed because of those that were a scoffing at them; and they fell away into forbidden paths and were lost.  And now I, Nephi, do not speak all the words of my father. But to be short in writing, behold, he saw other multitudes pressing forward; and they came and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron. And they did press their way forward, continually holding fast to the rod of iron, until they came forth and fell down and partook of the fruit of the tree. And he also saw other multitudes pressing their way towards that great and spacious building. And it came to pass that many were drowned in the depths of the fountain, and many were lost from his view, wandering in strange roads. And great was the multitude that did enter into that strange building. And after they did enter into that building, they did point the finger of scorn at me and those that were partaking of the fruit also. But we heeded them not — thus are the words of my father — for as many as heeded them had fallen away. And Laman and Lemuel partook not of the fruit, said my father.

I have a question at this point about the field, the numberless concourses of people, and the path.

Lehi mentions that the large and spacious field is as if it had been a world.

The new glossary of terms defines the term world as follows.


World

“The world and earth are not synonymous terms. The world is the human family.” What is the end of the world? The destruction of the wicked. (T&C Glossary of terms, "World")

If the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God then was the term Lehi used to describe what he saw meant to convey that Lehi was shown the entire human family?

What would that imply?

Was he shown the human family representationally like "Here is a big group of people that represents the human family".

Or is it possible that Lehi was shown a vision of all things like Nephi and Isaiah and all others?

We know that Moses saw the vision of all of the events of the human family down through time.

And it came to pass, as the voice was still speaking, he cast his eyes and beheld the earth, yea, even all the face of it; and there was not a particle of it which he did not behold, discerning it by the spirit of God. And he beheld also the inhabitants thereof, and there was not a soul whom he beheld not. And he discerned them by the spirit of God, and their numbers were great, even as numberless as the sand upon the seashore. And he beheld many lands, and each land was called earth, and there were inhabitants on the face thereof. And it came to pass that Moses called upon God, saying, Show me, I pray you, why these things are so and by whom you made them. And behold, the glory of God was upon Moses so that Moses stood in the presence of God, and he talked with him face to face. And the Lord God said unto Moses, For my own purpose have I made these things. Here is wisdom and it remains in me. And by the word of my power have I created them, who is my Only Begotten Son, who is full of grace and truth. And worlds without number have I created, and I also created them for my own purpose; and by the same I created them, who is my Only Begotten. And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many. But only an account of this earth and the inhabitants thereof give I unto you. For behold, there are many worlds which have passed away by the word of my power, and there are many also which now stand, and numberless are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them. (Moses 1:27 - 35, OC Genesis 1 par. 6)

Remember that Nephi after being shown the vision of all was given the charge not to write concerning the things that John the Revelator was ordained to write.

Is it possible that Lehi used the part of his vision, that of the tree and the other symbols to explain his vision of all things that maybe he was commanded not to write because Nephi was ordained to write them?

Could Lehi have used the vision of the tree of life to describe the results of the actions of the human family over the history of the world?

Would that be like unto Zenos using the allegory of the olive tree to describe what he was shown concerning the work of the Father to preserve His promises to the Fathers down throughout the history of the world?

Lehi recounts the vision in two parts.  The first part deals with his family.  The second part picks up after Lehi speaks of his family and it involves the entire human family if I understand the term "world" correctly in context.

Following Nephi's recording of what his father declared concerning the vision Nephi describes that his father, Lehi, continues to teach Nephi's brethren concerning the workings of God all the way down to the end times.  This is all contained in the first part of (1 Nephi 10, NC 1 Nephi 3).

Then Nephi seeks to receive what Lehi had received.

When the Spirit inquired of Nephi what he wanted Nephi declared,

I desire to behold the things which my father saw. (1 Nephi 11:3, NC 1 Nephi 3 par. 6)

Is it out of the realm of possibilities that Nephi was shown exactly what his father, Lehi, had seen; the tree and the fruit and the vision of the history of world?

Nephi would then become a second witness and it would follow exactly as true witnesses testify.

There is a part of the record that shows how this might be.

When Laman and Lemuel asked Nephi concerning the river of water that their father saw Nephi responded.

And I said unto them that the water which my father saw was filthiness; and so much was his mind swallowed up in other things that he beheld not the filthiness of the water. (1 Nephi 15:27, NC 1 Nephi 4 par. 5)

Just as real witnesses testify of the same event with little differences in detail Nephi and Lehi both testified of the same thing but some details that Nephi saw and paid attention to Lehi did not observe because Lehi was focused on other things unfolding in the same vision.

Is it possible that as Lehi declares that he sees numberless concourses of people many of whom are seeking the path that leads to the tree that he is seeing history unfold and events occurring where many in the human family over the history of the world begin to search out the path that leads to the path of God?

Lehi describes the path as being narrow and leading beside the fountain of water that Nephi later clarifies is filthy water representing the depths of hell and being a gulf separating the wicked from the tree of life.

Is this given in this way to show that there are points of decision that lead either to the one hand or to the other?

Again we come back to being wicked vs. being righteous.  Here is a possible definition again for wickedness.

What does it mean to be wicked?  

And the whole world lies in sin and groans under darkness and under the bondage of sin, and by this you may know they are under the bondage of sin, because they come not unto me, for whoever comes not unto me is under the bondage of sin. And whoever receives not my voice is not acquainted with my voice and is not of me. And by this you may know the righteous from the wicked, and that the whole world groans under sin and darkness, even now. (D&C 84:49 - 53) ,Teachings and Commandments 82 par. 19)

Does Lehi see, as he is possibly looking down through history, many people(individuals, families and nations even) arriving at a point of decision that will determine whether they will start, according to their own will, down that narrow path that leads to the tree by planting a seed in their hearts by beginning to inquire of and receive from God or will they live without God in the world refusing to come to Him and inquire of Him?

That type of decision would begin to lead them down one side or another of the fountain of filthy water.

Those on the one side would be separated from those on the other by a gulf.

Is it possible that this is what Lehi is seeing in the context of history unrolling before his eyes from the beginning of the earth to the end?

Lehi describes the path to the tree as narrow.

There seem to be many places in the scriptures that talk about the path.

Here are just a couple.

O then, my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord, the Holy One. Remember that his paths are righteousness. Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it lieth in a straight course before him, and the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel, and he employeth no servant there. And there is none other way save it be by the gate, for he cannot be deceived, for the Lord God is his name. (2 Nephi 9:41, NC 2 Nephi 6 par. 11)

I have charity for the Jew — I say Jew because I mean them from whence I came. I also have charity for the gentiles. But behold, for none of these can I hope except they shall be reconciled unto Christ, and enter into the narrow gate, and walk in the straight path which leads to life, and continue in the path until the end of the day of probation. (2 Nephi 33:8 - 9, NC 2 Nephi 15 par. 1)

This way that leads to the tree of life that Lehi and Nephi describe is always described as a path.

It is not a road or a freeway.  It is a path and it is narrow.

The Lord invited all of us to follow this path.  This is the path that he followed to come to the Father.

No man can come unto me except he follows the path of my Father, who has sent me as His messenger of salvation. And this is what my Father expects of you, that you heed his Son. For the Father testifies he sent me, and anyone who accepts the Father’s testimony, and has the faith in him to heed his testimony, I will raise upward in the resurrection of the just. (T&C 171, The Testimony of St. John 5 par. 18)

Now, therefore, know that Jesus is the Messiah, the Walker in the Path who has proven for evermore that Father Ahman sent Him into the world to prove His Father’s path. (T&C 171, The Testimony of St. John 12 par. 21)

Nephi declared that this path is the only way and means to come to God the Father and to enter the path is only the beginning of the journey.

We must remember the following exhortation as we discuss in the next blog concerning traveling on this narrow straight path.

The path of God is razor thin. It may lie in a straight course, but the way in which the Lord walks that straight line He doesn't even cast a shadow to the left or the right. When you walk that line and begin to see the shadow, you've already departed from the path even though you think you're still on it. You have to question every step of the way; every step you take, and measure every word you speak, because you and I are going to be judged on that basis. (St. George Conference Q&A:2017 Denver C. Snuffer, pg 8)

Beckoning and Decisions

1 Nephi 8:12 - 18, NC 1 Nephi 2 par. 9


And as I partook of the fruit thereof, it filled my soul with exceeding great joy; wherefore, I began to be desirous that my family should partake of it also, for I knew that it was desirable above all other fruit. And as I cast my eyes around about, that perhaps I might discover my family also, and I beheld a river of water and it ran along, and it was near the tree of which I was partaking the fruit. And I looked to behold from whence it came, and I saw the head thereof a little way off. And at the head thereof I beheld your mother Sariah, and Sam, and Nephi, and they stood as if they knew not whither they should go. And it came to pass that I beckoned unto them; and I also did say unto them with a loud voice that they should come unto me and partake of the fruit, which was desirable above all other fruit. And it came to pass that they did come unto me and partake of the fruit also. And it came to pass that I was desirous that Laman and Lemuel should come and partake of the fruit also; wherefore, I cast mine eyes towards the head of the river that perhaps I might see them. And it came to pass that I saw them, but they would not come unto me and partake of the fruit.

Do we see in Lehi's dream a representation of the journey of Lehi's family both to truth and light and away from truth and light?

In real life just as in his vision of the tree Lehi is the first to fully partake.

Remember Lehi's exclamation when he fully partook?

And it came to pass that when my father had read and seen many great and marvelous things, he did exclaim many things unto the Lord; such as: Great and marvelous are thy works, O Lord God Almighty! Thy throne is high in the heavens, and thy power, and goodness, and mercy are over all the inhabitants of the earth; and because thou art merciful, thou wilt not suffer those who come unto thee that they shall perish!  And after this manner was the language of my father in the praising of his God; for his soul did rejoice, and his whole heart was filled, because of the things which he had seen , yea, which the Lord had shown unto him. (1 Nephi 1:14 - 15, NC 1 Nephi 1 par. 3)

What was Lehi's reaction towards his family after he had fully partaken?

And now I, Nephi, do not make a full account of the things which my father hath written, for he hath written many things which he saw in visions and in dreams; and he also hath written many things which he prophesied and spake unto his children, of which I shall not make a full account. (1 Nephi 1:16, NC 1 Nephi 1 par. 4)

In the vision Sariah, Sam and Nephi are not quite as far up the path as Lehi. They are a little way off at the head of the river.

Does that make Lehi any better than the others because he happens to be farther up the path at the moment?

Once Sariah, Sam and Nephi reach the tree and fully partake of the fruit is not their reward just as great as Lehi's?

I understand that this may look like something trivial to consider and maybe it is but in my own life I have struggled with judging others and my own arrogance towards others who happened to "arrive" at a place that I feel is important after I have already "arrived".

I have never until just recently considered that if I am to "partake" of the fruit of the tree that Lehi saw I must repent and cast out these feelings in me.

A parable that has been very instructive for me was given by the Lord concerning this principle that I have struggled with.

For the kingdom of Heaven is like unto a man, a householder, who went out early in the morning to hire laborers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the laborers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour and found others standing idle in the marketplace, and said unto them, Go also into the vineyard, and whatever is right, I will give you. And they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle, and said unto them, Why stand you here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man has hired us. He said unto them, Go also into the vineyard, and whatever is right, you shall receive.  So when evening came, the lord of the vineyard said unto his steward, Call the laborers and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that began about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more. And they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received a penny, they murmured against the master of the house, saying, These last have wrought one hour only, and you have made them equal unto us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day. But he answered one of them and said, Friend, I do you no wrong. Did not you agree with me for a penny? Take yours and go your way. I will give unto this last even as unto you. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with my own? Is your eye evil because I am good? So the last shall be first, and the first, last. And many are called, but few chosen. (Matthew 20:1 - 16: NC Matthew 9 pars. 25 -26)

Is it possible that those who partake fully of the fruit of the tree that Lehi saw fall into this following category?

Man must hope, or he cannot receive (Ether 12:32; see also Ether 5:6 RE). That phrase is filled with a great deal of significance.  The term “hope,” particularly as it’s used here, is not that well understood. We sometimes view it as a weak virtue—something of a wisp, a phantom; something that we emote that we would like or desire. But in this context, the word “hope” is much more. It’s a concrete assurance based upon a promise or a covenant . Hope comes from knowing the Lord has
promised a person something. As the Lord has assured us, He does not make (and then break) promises. When He promises something, He will deliver it. He does not excuse Himself; even though the heavens and the earth [may] pass away, [His word] shall not pass away but shall [all] be fulfilled (T&C 43:3). Anyone who receives a promise from Him has an absolute certainty... There’s a direct relationship between faith, hope, and charity. Faith comes from obedience and sacrifice. Hope comes from the promise given to a person, by God, which their faith has secured for them. And charity comes as those holding faith and receiving hope, seek to have all others share in the same promises. The greatest gift you can give to another is eternal life. All those who have such a promise from God want everyone else to have a similar promise for themselves. They teach, preach, exhort, and write to share with everyone that same opportunity to gain hope in God. They understand how rare a thing it is to bring a soul to salvation. But they’re not interested in merely making a bad-person good or a
good-person better, nor are they content to move souls from a Telestial destiny to a
Terrestrial destiny. Those who have such promises for themselves long, hope, pray, and
preach to bring every other soul back to God to dwell with Him in Celestial glory. They seek
the eternal life of all mankind. They participate with God in His great work. They join Christ
in His declaration:
For behold, the Lord your Redeemer suffered death in the flesh; wherefore, he suffered
the pain of all men that all men might repent and come unto him. And he ha[th] risen
again from the dead that he might bring all men unto him on conditions of repentance.
And how great is his joy in the soul that repent[eth]. Wherefore, you are called to cry
repentance unto this people. And if it so be that you should labor all your days in
crying repentance unto this people and bring save it be one soul unto me, how great
shall be your joy with him in the kingdom of my Father? And now if your joy will be
great with one soul that you have brought unto me in the kingdom of my Father, how
great will be your joy if you should bring many souls unto me? (JSH 15:31 RE) ("Hope, Part 3, Denver Snuffer Podcast, Aug. 18, 2019)

Is Lehi working from a space such as the one described above where he now has a hope in Christ or promises made to him by God and now he desires that all others, starting with his family, would receive the same promises?

The Prophet Joseph described it this way.

Love is one of the chief characteristics of Deity, and ought to be manifested by those who
aspire to be the sons of God. A man filled with the love of God, is not content with blessing his
family alone, but ranges through the whole world, anxious to bless the whole human race. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pg. 174)

From what we studied earlier concerning Lehi and his ascension to the throne of God in the post "The Family of God", could we say that Lehi has become a son of God?

Did Lehi manifest in Jerusalem a desire to bless the whole human race of his world (Jerusalem)?

Did Lehi manifest a desire to bless his family?

Does Lehi in any way possess a feeling of being "better" or more "authoritative" or in a position of "power" over anyone he beckons to in order to invite them to come to the tree and partake as well?

Is Lehi willing to sacrifice in order to beckon others to come to the tree?

After having partaken fully of the fruit of the tree, which tree represents the love of God, is Lehi filled with the love of God?

If I am ever going to be able to beckon to others as Lehi did do I first need to partake fully of the fruit of the tree that Lehi saw?

Can I ever beckon to others if I am filled with pride concerning any supposed truth and light I may possess?

Can I ever pick fruit from the tree to give to others or is it the responsibility of everyone to come to the tree and partake?

Is this principle related to the parable of the ten virgins the Savior taught?

Lehi never picks the fruit for anyone else.  He beckons to them to come and even cries out to them in a loud voice to invite them.

If I happen to be somewhere up the path the Savior trod, beyond others, does that make me any more important than them?

If I make it up the path further does that impose upon me an obligation to sacrifice and serve to assist all to move farther up the path?

Where was the Savior on the path when He sacrificed everything infinitely in order to assist all others to move along the path?

It seems to me that this all applies to what Lehi is doing at the tree beckoning to others to come and partake.

Sariah, Sam and Nephi start at the head of the river not knowing where to go.

Is that how we all start in this life as the veil of mortality is placed on us?

Does this have anything to do with what Alma taught?

And again, my brethren, I would cite your minds forward to the time when the Lord God gave these commandments unto his children. And I would that ye should remember that the Lord God ordained priests after his Holy Order, which was after the Order of his Son, to teach these things unto the people. And those priests were ordained after the Order of his Son in a manner that thereby the people might know in what manner to look forward to his Son for redemption. And this is the manner after which they were ordained: being called and prepared from the foundation of the world, according to the foreknowledge of God, on account of their exceeding faith and good works in the first place, being left to choose good or evil; therefore they, having chosen good, and exercising exceeding great faith, are called with a holy calling — yea, with that holy calling which was prepared with, and according to, a preparatory redemption for such. And thus they have been called to this holy calling on account of their faith, while others would reject the spirit of God on account of the hardness of their hearts and blindness of their minds (while, if it had not been for this, they might had as great privilege as their brethren — or in fine, in the first place they were on the same standing with their brethren — thus, this holy calling being prepared from the foundation of the world for such as would not harden their hearts, being in and through the atonement of the Only Begotten Son who was prepared), and thus, being called by this holy calling and ordained unto the High Priesthood of the Holy Order of God to teach his commandments unto the children of men, that they also might enter into his rest — this High Priesthood being after the Order of his Son, which Order was from the foundation of the world, or in other words, being without beginning of days or end of years, being prepared from eternity to all eternity according to his foreknowledge of all things. Now they were ordained after this manner, being called with a holy calling, and ordained with a holy ordinance, and taking upon them the High Priesthood of the Holy Order — which calling, and ordinance, and High Priesthood is without beginning or end; thus, they become high priests for ever after the Order of the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father who is without beginning of days or end of years, who is full of grace, equity, and truth. And thus it is. Amen. (Alma 13:1 - 9, NC Alma 9 par. 10)

Are we all on the same standing as we begin mortality?

Are we all left to choose good and evil?

At the beginning of the record could we see that even Sariah, Sam and Nephi were somewhat skeptical of Lehi's words?

Did they make a conscious decision to respond to Lehi's beckoning and crying and leave the head of the river of water to come and partake of the fruit?

Nephi declared this concerning the river of water from his father's vision.

What meaneth the river of water which our father saw? And I said unto them that the water which my father saw was filthiness; and so much was his mind swallowed up in other things that he beheld not the filthiness of the water. And I said unto them that it was an awful gulf which separateth the wicked from the tree of life, and also from the saints of God. And I said unto them that it was a representation of that awful hell which the angel said unto me was prepared for the wicked. And I said unto them that our father also saw that the justice of God did also divide the wicked from the righteous, and the brightness thereof was like unto the brightness of a flaming fire which ascendeth up unto God for ever and ever and hath no end. (1 Nephi 15:26 - 30, NC 1 Nephi 4 par. 5)

What do we know of Laman and Lemuel's response to Lehi's beckoning?

When Nephi asked them,

Have ye inquired of the Lord? (1 Nephi 15:8, NC 1 Nephi 4 par. 2)

concerning things Laman and Lemuel were asking of Nephi
Laman and Lemuel's answer was

"We have not, for the Lord maketh no such thing known unto us." (1 Nephi 15:9, NC 1 Nephi 4 par. 2)

Without a belief that God would answer them is it possible for Laman and Lemuel to plant the seed of belief in the Lord in their hearts so that it may swell and with nourishment grow up to produce fruit?

Is it a hell to not communicate with God?

If we are unable to receive commandments from God for our own personal individually unique situations in life does that mean that we have chosen to become wicked and need to repent?

What does it mean to be wicked?  What is the definition?

And the whole world lies in sin and groans under darkness and under the bondage of sin, and by this you may know they are under the bondage of sin, because they come not unto me, for whoever comes not unto me is under the bondage of sin. And whoever receives not my voice is not acquainted with my voice and is not of me. And by this you may know the righteous from the wicked, and that the whole world groans under sin and darkness, even now. (D&C 84:49 - 53) ,Teachings and Commandments 82 par. 19)

Is it possible to receive the God's voice if we do not inquire of Him?

If we are not personally acquainted with His voice it says that we are not of Him.

God states that the righteous are distinguished from the wicked because the righteous receive His voice and the wicked do not.

The Book of Mormon seems to contrast very clearly through the recorded actions of the family and now through Lehi's vision just how important the decision to believe in Christ and to act upon that belief by crying to God is versus believing that He will make no such things known unto us.

Does all this give new meaning to what Nephi declared to Laman and Lemuel about not keeping the commandments of God because they would not inquire of Him?

How is it that ye do not keep the commandments of the Lord?  How is it that ye will perish because of the hardness of your hearts?  Do ye not remember the things which the Lord hath said, If ye will not harden your hearts and ask me in faith, believing that ye shall receive, with diligence in keeping my commandments, surely these things shall be made known unto you?" (1 Nephi 15:10 - 11, NC 1 Nephi 4 par. 2)

That seems pretty harsh doesn't it?

How am I doing at keeping the commandments of God?

If  I died today would I perish because of my hardness of heart?

Do I personally receive God's voice am I acquainted with it?

What are the responsibilities devolving upon me to receive and be acquainted with God's voice?

Am I willing to make a decision to respond to someone who is at the tree Lehi saw who is beckoning to me to come and partake?

Is it my responsibility to respond to the invitation?

Is this part of Lehi's vision a good representation of what Alma taught as quoted above?

Is there someone (Lehi) who is a priest of the Holy Order, a son of God, who is preaching righteousness (inviting others to come and partake of the very same thing he is a part of; to enter into the rest or glory of God)?

Are Sariah, Laman, Lemuel, Sam and Nephi all beginning on equal standing?

Are there decisions made that go one way or another and would Laman and Lemuel have had as great a privilege as their mother and their brothers if they had responded to Lehi's beckoning?

How should I be responding to a priest of the holy Order, a son of God, who is beckoning to all and even crying with a loud voice to invite all to come to the tree and partake of the fruit which is white above all that is white and sweet above all things and delicious to the soul?

Where can I find such a priest who would beckon?

Who is there on there earth now that possesses a hope in Christ, who has obtained promises from God Himself, and desires that all around him receive the same promises (the same wages for working in the vineyard at this late hour)?