Sunday, January 2, 2022

In Thy Seed Shall All the Kindreds of the Earth be Blessed

  1 Nephi 15:12 - 18, NC 1 Nephi 4 par. 3


Behold, I say unto you that the house of Israel was compared unto an olive tree by the spirit of the Lord which was in our father. And behold, are we not broken off from the house of Israel? And are we not a branch of the house of Israel? And now the thing which our father meaneth concerning the grafting in of the natural branches through the fullness of the gentiles is that in the latter days, when our seed shall have dwindled in unbelief — yea, for the space of many years and many generations after the Messiah shall be manifested in body unto the children of men — then shall the fullness of the gospel of the Messiah come unto the gentiles, and from the gentiles unto the remnant of our seed. And at that day shall the remnant of our seed know that they are of the house of Israel and that they are the covenant people of the Lord. And then shall they know and come to the knowledge of their forefathers, and also to the knowledge of the gospel of their Redeemer, which was ministered unto their fathers by him. Wherefore, they shall come to the knowledge of their Redeemer and the very points of his doctrine, that they may know how to come unto him and be saved. And then at that day, will they not rejoice and give praise unto their everlasting God, their rock, and their salvation? Yea, at that day, will they not receive strength and nourishment from the true vine? Yea, will they not come unto the true fold of God? Behold, I say unto you, yea, they shall be numbered again among the house of Israel; they shall be grafted in, being a natural branch of the olive tree, into the true olive tree; and this is what our father meaneth. And he meaneth that it will not come to pass until after they are scattered by the gentiles. And he meaneth that it shall come by way of the gentiles, that the Lord may shew his power unto the gentiles for the very cause that he shall be rejected of the Jews, or of the house of Israel. Wherefore, our father hath not spoken of our seed alone, but also of all the house of Israel, pointing to the covenant which should be fulfilled in the latter days, which covenant the Lord made to our father Abraham, saying, In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.


The Stick of Joseph in the Hand of Ephraim 1 Nefi 4 par. 3


Behold, I say unto you that the house of Isra’el was compared unto an olive tree by the spirit of yhwh which was in our father. And behold, are we not broken off from the house of Isra’el? And are we 
not a branch of the house of Isra’el? And now the thing which our father means concerning the grafting in of the natural branches through the Milo HaGoyim is that in the latter days, when our seed shall have dwindled in unbelief — yes, for the space of many years and many generations after the Mashiach shall be manifested in body unto the children of men — then shall the fulness of the besorah of the Mashiach come unto the Goyim, and from the Goyim unto the remnant of our seed. And at that day shall the remnant of our seed know that they are of the house of Isra’el and that they are the covenant people of yhwh. And then shall they know and come to the knowledge of their forefathers, and also to the knowledge of the besorah of their Redeemer, which was taught unto their fathers by him. Wherefore, they shall come to the knowledge of their Redeemer and the very points of his doctrine, that they may know how to come unto him and be saved. And then at that day, will they not rejoice and give praise unto their El Olam, their rock, and their salvation?  Yes, at that day, will they not receive strength and nourishment from the true vine? Yes, will they not come unto the true fold of Elohim?  Behold, I say unto you, yes, they shall be numbered again among the house of Isra’el; they shall be grafted in, being a natural branch of the olive tree, into the true olive tree; and this is what our father means. And he means that it will not come to pass until after they are scattered by the Goyim. And he means that it shall come by way of the Goyim, that yhwh may show his power unto the Goyim for the very cause that he shall be rejected of the Y’hudim, or of the house of Isra’el. Wherefore, our father has not spoken of our seed alone, but also of all the house of Isra’el, pointing to the covenant which should be fulfilled in the latter days, which covenant yhwh made to our father Avraham, saying, In your seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

I hope that it is abundantly clear that this blog is not in any way shape or form meant to be a declaration of "this is what the Book of Mormon is teaching, this is all the Book of Mormon is teaching, and you must accept this as truth!"

I believe the following statement.

...Doctrine is not to be understood as an academic or scholarly undertaking. (Remember the chapter in Eighteen Verses on Moroni 10:5.)
It is supposed to be understood in the doing. (John 7:17.) When you have done it, as Nephi has, then you will be able to explain the doctrine. To attempt to have a command of the doctrine without having done the will of the Father is to always be left without understanding. It is also not necessary to be able to fully expound the doctrine before doing it. It is necessary to take action consistent with the invitation offered to you... ("Don't Over-think Things", Denversnuffer.com, August 29, 2010)

Whatever I share here represents my present ideas and my present understanding of subjects that seem to me to come up, to use the words of the Prophet Joseph, "like an overflowing surge" from the Book of Mormon.

The only intent of this blog is to maybe pique an interest in someone who might stumble across it to seriously look into and study the Book of Mormon for themselves.

My understanding of subjects presented in the Book of Mormon is obviously limited, which means that I am still lacking in taking action consistent with the invitation that has been offered to me.

Only after I have repented and done the will of the Father in my own life will I have a complete understanding of any of these subjects.

My hope is that anyone who visits this blog will see that I am lacking and they will either say to themselves "What this guy is sharing resonates with me but it is obviously incomplete so I will seriously study the Book of Mormon and ask of God for myself to discover the complete doctrine contained there." or "This guy is off and that makes me want to study out the Book of Mormon for myself and ask of God who gives to all men liberally and upbraids them not so that I do not fall prey to this guy's ideas or to the ideas of anyone else who is off as well."

This final statement of Nephi in this paragraph to his brothers is interesting to me for two reasons.

1) If I understand what Nephi is saying correctly, Nephi is giving a time frame for when the Lord's covenant with Abraham, In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed, would be fulfilled.

2) Nephi is explaining to his brothers concerning this covenant the Lord made to Abraham which he, Nephi, would later revisit with his brothers again, the Lord Himself would expound on  this same covenant as He taught among the Nephites following His resurrection, Peter, in the book of Acts on the day of Pentecost spoke of this covenant in almost the same words as the Lord to the Nephites, Jacob, in the book of Genesis, as he received the vision of Jacob's ladder was given this very same covenant from the Lord, in the very same words as his grandfather Abraham received it, and we have the account of Abraham initially receiving this covenant contained in the words of the book of Abraham found in the Teachings and Commandments.  There are references to this covenant in every one of the books of scripture.

Reference to this covenant is found in all of the scripture cannons.

Would it be beneficial to understand the covenant Nephi is referring to here?

There are two documents I would recommend to anyone to read and study for a greater understanding of this covenant: 1) Forty Years In Mormonism, Lecture 4, "Covenants", given in Centerville, Utah and found for free in the downloads section of Denversnuffer.com  2) "Religion of the Fathers" given as a lecture in Aravada Nevada and also found for free in the downloads section of Denversnuffer.com 

I really would encourage anyone who desires to seriously look into this matter to study the two above documents.  What I am able to share here of my present understanding is so very small and as I said above even though it resonates with me it may not be correct and it certainly is incomplete.

From the scripture record we have the following account.

Three years previous to the death of Adam, he called Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, and Methuselah, who were all high priests, with the residue of his posterity who were righteous, into the valley of Adam-Ondi-Ahman, and there bestowed upon them his last blessing. And the Lord appeared unto them, and they rose up and blessed Adam, and called him Michael, the Prince, the Archangel. And the Lord administered comfort unto Adam, and said unto him, I have set you to be at the head; a multitude of nations shall come of you, and you are a prince over them for ever.  And Adam stood up in the midst of the congregation, and, notwithstanding he was bowed down with age, being full of the holy ghost, predicted whatsoever should befall his posterity unto the latest generation. These things were all written in the Book of Enoch, and are to be testified of in due time. (D&C 107:53 - 57, T&C 154 pars. 19 - 20)

The Lord declared here to Adam that a multitude of nations would come of him. 

Adam was also given the title of Prince.

What does that mean?

Is it possible that the title of Prince bestowed upon Adam is a title that distinguishes Adam as a Prince of Peace?

Is it possible that when the Lord declared to Adam that a multitude of nations would come of him that the Lord was making Adam a Father of many nations?

Do we have any clarifying examples in scripture that define these two titles?

What about Melchizedek?

And now Melchizedek was a priest of this Order, therefore he obtained peace in Salem and was called the Prince of Peace. And his people wrought righteousness, and obtained Heaven, and sought for the city of Enoch which God had before taken, separating it from the earth, having reserved it unto the latter days, or the end of the world, and has said and sworn with an oath that the heavens and the earth should come together, and the sons of God should be tried so as by fire. And this Melchizedek, having thus established righteousness, was called the King of Heaven by his people — or in other words, the King of Peace. (Genesis 14:33 - 36, OC Genesis 7 par. 20)

Shem, who was renamed Melchizedek, was given the title of Prince of peace because he obtained peace in Salem.

How did Melchizedek obtain peace? 

Now this Melchizedek was a king over the land of Salem, and his people had waxed strong in iniquity and abominations — yea, they had all gone astray; they were full of all manner of wickedness. But Melchizedek, having exercised mighty faith and received the office of the High Priesthood according to the Holy Order of God, did preach repentance unto his people. And behold, they did repent. And Melchizedek did establish peace in the land in his days; therefore, he was called the Prince of Peace, for he was the King of Salem; and he did reign under his father. Now there were many before him, and also there were many afterwards, but none were greater. Therefore, of him they have more particularly made mention. Now I need not rehearse the matter; what I have said may suffice. Behold, the scriptures are before you; if ye will wrest them, it shall be to your own destruction. (Alma 13:17 - 20, NC Alma 10 par. 2)

Melchizedek preached repentance and that was what made him a Prince of peace because repentance among a people always brings peace.

The above scriptures state that Melchizedek was part of an Order of priests.

How did Melchizedek become part of that Order?

Alma tells us that he had exercised great faith and so he received the office of High Priesthood.

Do we have any clarification on how that occurred?

Now Melchizedek was a man of faith who wrought righteousness. And when a child, he feared God, and stopped the mouths of lions, and quenched the violence of fire. And thus, having been approved of God, he was ordained a high priest after the Order of the covenant which God made with Enoch, it being after the Order of the Son of God, which Order came not by man, nor the will of men, neither by father nor mother, neither by beginning of days nor end of years, but of God. And it was delivered unto men by the calling of his own voice, according to his own will, unto as many as believed on his name. (Genesis 14:26 - 29, OC Genesis 7 par. 18)

Shem, as a child feared God, and worked acts of faith and wrought righteousness.  

As, I understand it, it was Shem's faith that qualified him to be approved of God to be ordained a high priest after the Order of the covenant that God made with Enoch.

Is it possible that Shem's name was changed to Melchizedek when he entered into this Order?

Doesn't it appear that entry into this Order is accomplished with a covenant with God?

Has the God ever given individuals in scripture a new name when He covenants with them?

This order is called the Order of the Son of God and it does not come by man, nor by man's will, nor by an earthly father or mother, it does not come from anything mortal because mortal things have a beginning of days and end of years, it comes from God and God declares it unto those who are brought into this Order by His own voice to them personally, according to His own will.

Was this Order that Melchizedek became a part of the same Order Adam entered into at the beginning?

And it came to pass when the Lord had spoken with Adam our father that Adam cried unto the Lord, and he was caught away by the spirit of the Lord, and was carried down into the water, and was laid under the water, and was brought forth out of the water. And thus he was baptized, and the spirit of God descended upon him. And thus he was born of the spirit and became quickened in the inner man. And he heard a voice out of Heaven saying, You are baptized with fire and with the holy ghost. This is the record of the Father and the Son, from henceforth and for ever. And you are after the Order of him who was without beginning of days or end of years, from all eternity to all eternity. Behold, you are one in me, a son of God. And thus may all become my sons. Amen. (Moses 6:64 - 68, OC Genesis 4 par. 10)

Do we see in the above that Adam heard God's own voice out of Heaven declaring to Adam that he, Adam, was now part of this Order which is without beginning of days or end of years?

Did Adam preach repentance to his posterity?

Can we reasonably determine from scripture then that starting with Adam, on this earth in this cycle of creation, that God established an Order of High Priests who preached repentance, which brings peace, so they each possessed the title of Prince of peace?

Was Adam part of an Order of things that is different than what we culturally think of?

We will address the title of Father of many nations as we continue with Abraham below.

The following is Abraham's declaration of what he was seeking for.

In the land of the Chaldeans, at the residence of my father, I, Abraham, saw that it was needful for me to obtain another place of residence. And finding there was greater happiness, and peace, and rest for me, I sought for the blessings of the Fathers and the right whereunto I should be ordained to administer the same. Having been myself a follower of righteousness, desiring also to be one who possessed great knowledge, and to be a greater follower of righteousness, and to possess a greater knowledge, and to be a Father of many nations, a prince of peace, and desiring to receive instructions and to keep the commandments of God, I became a rightful heir, a high priest, holding the right belonging to the Fathers. It was conferred upon me from the Fathers: it came down from the Fathers, from the beginning of time, yea, even from the beginning (or before the foundations of the earth) to the present time, even the right of the firstborn (or the first man — who is Adam — or first Father) through the Fathers unto me. I sought for my appointment unto the Priesthood according to the appointment of God unto the Fathers concerning the seed. (Abraham 1:1 - 4, T&C 145, The Book of Abraham 1 par. 1)

Abraham was seeking the blessings of the Fathers.

Is it possible that means that Abraham was seeking to become part of the Order first established in this creation cycle for this earth through Adam?

Abraham declares here that this right or Order of Fathers came down to him from before the foundations of this earth to his time through the Fathers to be conferred upon him.

So, who did this Order Abraham was seeking to be a part of originate from?

Didn't it originate from God who is without beginning of days or end of years?

Isn't this the same Order begun with Adam?

When we hear of the titles, "Rightful heir", "Prince of peace", "Father", "High priest" who do these titles cite our minds to?

Is this connected in any way with the words of Alma?

...And I would that ye should remember that the Lord God ordained priests after his Holy Order, which was after the Order of his Son, to teach these things unto the people. And those priests were ordained after the Order of his Son in a manner that thereby the people might know in what manner to look forward to his Son for redemption. And this is the manner after which they were ordained: being called and prepared from the foundation of the world, according to the foreknowledge of God, on account of their exceeding faith and good works in the first place, being left to choose good or evil; therefore they, having chosen good, and exercising exceeding great faith, are called with a holy calling — yea, with that holy calling which was prepared with, and according to, a preparatory redemption for such. And thus they have been called to this holy calling on account of their faith, while others would reject the spirit of God on account of the hardness of their hearts and blindness of their minds (while, if it had not been for this, they might had as great privilege as their brethren — or in fine, in the first place they were on the same standing with their brethren — thus, this holy calling being prepared from the foundation of the world for such as would not harden their hearts, being in and through the atonement of the Only Begotten Son who was prepared), and thus, being called by this holy calling and ordained unto the High Priesthood of the Holy Order of God to teach his commandments unto the children of men, that they also might enter into his rest — this High Priesthood being after the Order of his Son, which Order was from the foundation of the world, or in other words, being without beginning of days or end of years, being prepared from eternity to all eternity according to his foreknowledge of all things. Now they were ordained after this manner, being called with a holy calling, and ordained with a holy ordinance, and taking upon them the High Priesthood of the Holy Order — which calling, and ordinance, and High Priesthood is without beginning or end; thus, they become high priests for ever after the Order of the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father who is without beginning of days or end of years, who is full of grace, equity, and truth. And thus it is. Amen.(Alma 13:1 - 9, NC Alma 9 par. 10)

By possessing those titles as part of their ordination into that Order, wouldn't that cite our minds to Christ?

Wouldn't that ordination allow people to know in what manner to look forward to the Son for redemption?

Don't the words of Alma further confirm that this High Priesthood or Holy Order or Order of the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father which Abraham sought for and received entry into was the same Order that Adam entered into; without beginning of days or end of years?

Doesn't Abraham's declaration "I became a rightful heir, a high priest, holding the right belonging to the Fathers. It was conferred upon me from the Fathers: it came down from the Fathers, from the beginning of time, yea, even from the beginning (or before the foundations of the earth) to the present time, even the right of the firstborn (or the first man — who is Adam — or first Father) through the Fathers unto me." point to the fact that he entered into the Order Alma was talking about?

Now why would understanding this be important?

Please consider the following.

When you go back to the Fathers and you begin with Adam, although there were apostasies—and apostasies began immediately—it was generations before Eve bore Cain and thought she had a son that would at last be faithful. They were grandparents when Cain was born. And then Abel was born. And Cain slew Abel. And Seth came as a replacement to the grandparents, Adam and Eve. And from Seth reckons, then, the seed of the righteous.

Father to son to grandson to great-grandson. When you look at the list of those that are gathered together into the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman, in the first Zion, where the Lord came and dwelt among them: ​And he rose up and he called Adam, Michael​ (“El” being the name of God)— Jehovah appeared in the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman, and you have, seventh from Adam being Enoch; you have a line of continuity from Adam, directly down all the way until you arrive at Shem.

But when you hit Shem, it interrupts. There is a complete falling away. There are no righteous fathers for Abraham. His fathers had turned to idolatry. Abraham is the prototype of the saved man and the Father of all who would be righteous thereafter because Abraham represents coming to the truth in a generation of apostasy. Abraham represents coming back to the light, despite the fact that his fathers taught him idolatry. Abraham represents the challenge that every man who would be saved from that point forward must find themselves within—and then overcome the idolatry of their fathers. Abraham is the prototype.

And so Abraham is acknowledged by that same Jehovah who visited with the Fathers in Adam-ondi-Ahman and identified Himself again to Abraham—who, after apostasy, becomes literally the first—the first to return to the righteousness of the first Fathers, the first to return to the religion that belonged in the beginning to mankind, the first to discover ​a knowledge of the beginning of the creation, and also of the planets, and of the stars, as they were made known unto the fathers.

Abraham was the one who desired to be ​a follower of righteousness, …one who possessed great knowledge, to be a greater follower of righteousness and to possess greater knowledge still. It is this which made him a candidate the Lord could speak to. It’s this that made him the prototype in his generation of what it takes to turn away from idolatry, to turn away from the kind of corrupt and degrading religions that were then in play on the earth—the fertility cults and the human sacrifices and the vileness that surrounded him. And then having done so, to be asked by God to slay his son, as if there was some legitimacy to the rites that were practiced all around him.

Now in the version that we have in the King James Bible, Isaac is not slain. There is an older tradition that you can find in the book of Hebrews (and you can find it in the Book of Mormon) where Isaac is slain, and he’s brought back to life, rather like Lazarus is brought back to life. But it’s clear that the Old Testament version that we have in King James, he raises his hand with a knife to commit the act, and then the ram is found in the thicket to deliver him. Sometimes as it turns out, rams are not found in thickets and the sacrifice will be required.

The Lord says: ​And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse them that curse thee; and in thee (that is, in thy Priesthood)….​ Because fundamentally, what distinguishes Abraham and what distinguishes the covenant is the knowledge that he has. Abraham is in possession of something because Abraham knows some things that are true that relate back to the very beginning. And as a consequence of that, those who are given the same knowledge necessarily have to belong to the same priesthood. "55: Abraham, Part 2, Denver Snuffer Podcast, February 03, 2019)

Do we not find ourselves in apostacy at present?

Can we find anywhere in the world right now where the original religion of Adam that existed at the beginning of the earth exists now in a complete form among a group of people?

Can we find anywhere, at present, a group of people who possess a complete knowledge of the beginning of the creation, and also of the planets and of the stars, as they were made known unto the Fathers? (Abraham 1:29 - 31, T&C 145, The Book of Abraham 2 par. 4)

Can we find anywhere, at present, a group of people who have communion with the Lord and with God like Adam and Abraham and the other Fathers had?

Is it possible to repent and escape apostacy without acknowledging that we are in apostacy?

If we come out from this world of apostacy who is the prototype of our exodus?

Would our escape from apostacy through faith on Christ and repentance not mirror Abraham's journey?

We have discussed this before in this blog.  Priesthood, real divine priesthood, has nothing to do with holding a position of authority over others, or an office in an institution, or controlling or directing others.

Abraham held priesthood.  The Lord declared it.  He held the right of the Fathers.

That "priesthood" had nothing to do with Abraham holding authority over others or over an organization etc.

Does it say anywhere in the scriptures that Abraham presided over an institution or group of people or that Abraham commanded or directed people to do things?

Did Abraham exert any power or influence over others except to try and persuade them to believe in truth?

That "priesthood" had everything to do with possessing knowledge; heavenly knowledge.  It had everything to do with having a face to face communion with those on the other side of the veil; ultimately with the Lord and with God.

This is what the Prophet Joseph declared about the "priesthood" Abraham possessed; the priesthood or right of the Fathers.

The next great grand patriarch who held the keys of the Priesthood was Lamech. See Gen 5th chapter, 28th and 29th verses [Gen. 5:4]: And Lamech lived 182 years and begat a son. And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed. The Priesthood continued from Lamech to Noah, Genesis 6th chapter, 13th verse [Gen. 5:12]: And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is before me. For the earth is filled with violence through them, and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Thus we behold the keys of this Priesthood consisted in obtaining the voice of Jehovah, that he talked with him in a familiar and friendly manner, that he continued to him the keys, the covenants, the power, and the glory with which he blessed Adam at the beginning, and the offering of sacrifice which also shall be continued at the last time.(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pg. 171, T&C 140 par. 16)

So, is it reasonable to state that if we individually do not possess the same knowledge or the same communion with those on the other side of the veil as Abraham and the other Fathers before him to Adam that we are in a state of apostacy with respect to the original religion that Adam possessed?

So what does this have to do with what Nephi declared here to his brothers?

As I understand it, Abraham, because of his "priesthood" received a covenant from the Lord.

...My name is Jehovah, and I know the end from the beginning. Therefore, my hand shall be over you, and I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you above measure, and make your name great among all nations. And you shall be a blessing unto your seed after you, that in their hands they shall bear this ministry and Priesthood unto all nations. And I will bless them through your name; for as many as receive this gospel shall be called after your name and shall be accounted your seed, and shall rise up and bless you, as unto their Father. And I will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you. And in you (that is, in your Priesthood) and in your seed, (that is, your Priesthood) — for I give unto you a promise that this right shall continue in you and in your seed after you (that is to say, the literal seed or the seed of the body) — shall all the families of the earth be blessed, even with the blessings of the gospel, which are the blessings of salvation, even of life eternal. (Abraham 2:6 - 11, T&C 145, The Book of Abraham 3 par. 1)

How did the Lord declare that Abraham would receive seed?

My present understanding is that because Abraham is the prototype of any individual who comes out of apostacy into the true religion had by Adam at the beginning that anyone who seeks for and receives the same "gospel" or "Priesthood" as Abraham are given to Abraham in the family of God as Abraham's seed.

Abraham now becomes a Father of many nations because wherever there is someone, in whatever nation of the world they live, who through faith on those things taught by Abraham in his ministry comes up to receive the very same "Priesthood" or "gospel" as Abraham they become a child of Abraham and claim him as their Father in the family of God.

This is clarified by the Lord when He declared to Abraham for as many as receive this gospel shall be called after your name and shall be accounted your seed, and shall rise up and bless you, as unto their Father... And in you (that is, in your Priesthood) and in your seed, (that is, your Priesthood).

Anyone who comes up to the same rights and privileges as was had by Abraham become Abraham's seed.

As an example, Jacob, renamed Israel, also received the very same covenant as his grandfather Abraham received.  This is the account of that event.

And Jacob went out from Beersheba and went toward Haran. And he lighted upon a certain place and stayed there all night because the sun was set. And he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. And he dreamed, and behold, a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to Heaven. And behold, the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And behold, the Lord stood above it and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham your father, and the God of Isaac. The land on which you lie, to you will I give it, and to your seed. And your seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south. And in you and in your seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. And behold, I am with you, and will keep you in all places to which you go, and will bring you again into this land. For I will not leave you until I have done that which I have spoken to you of. (Genesis 28:10 - 15, OC Genesis 9 par. 20)

Isn't it interesting that in the scriptural record even though Abraham was physically Jacob's grandfather the Lord declares I am the Lord God of Abraham your father?

Does this give new meaning to the Lord's declaration to the Pharisees that if they were children of Abraham they would do the works of Abraham?

The Lord further declared to Abraham concerning his seed,  And you shall be a blessing unto your seed after you, that in their hands they shall bear this ministry and Priesthood unto all nations.

Just like Abraham, their Father, these children of Abraham now are called to a ministry because they possess the same knowledge and communion with God as Abraham and all the other Fathers.

The Lord finishes by declaring concerning these who are now Abraham's children, "And in you (that is, in your Priesthood) and in your seed, (that is, your Priesthood) — for I give unto you a promise that this right shall continue in you and in your seed after you (that is to say, the literal seed or the seed of the body) — shall all the families of the earth be blessed, even with the blessings of the gospel, which are the blessings of salvation, even of life eternal.

How does one bring the blessings of salvation and eternal life to the families of the earth?

The Prophet Joseph declared the following about salvation or being saved.

A man is saved no faster than he gets knowledge, for if he does not get knowledge, he will be brought into captivity by some evil power in the other world, as evil spirits will have more knowledge, and consequently more power than many men who are on the earth. Hence it needs revelation to assist us, and give us knowledge of the things of God. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pg. 217)

And remember what the Lord declares constitutes eternal life.

Jesus spoke these words, and lifted up his eyes to Heaven and said, Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son also may glorify you, as you have given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him. And this is life eternal: that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I have glorified you on the earth. I have finished the work which you gave me to do. And now, O Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was. (John 17:1 - 5, NC John 9 par. 19)

Notice that the Prophet Joseph stated clearly that Hence it needs revelation to assist us, and give us knowledge of the things of God in order to receive saving knowledge.

The children of Abraham must be able to converse in a friendly and familiar manner with Jehovah to receive what needs to be received from Him to dispense knowledge that is both saving and will bring others to the point where they know for themselves personally God and Jesus Christ who was sent; which to know Them is eternal life.

The ministry of Abraham's children is to, under God's direction, minister this knowledge that saves  and opens up the opportunity to know God and Jesus Christ to all nations.

Does the following apply to the children of Abraham?

A fanciful and flowery and heated imagination be aware of, because the things of God are of deep import, and time, and experience, and careful and ponderous and solemn thoughts can only find them out. Your mind, O man, if you will lead a soul unto salvation, must stretch as high as the utmost Heavens, and search into and contemplate the lowest considerations of the darkest abyss, and expand upon the broad considerations of eternal expanse. You must commune with God. How much more dignified and noble are the thoughts of God than the vain imagination of the human heart? None but fools will trifle with the souls of men.(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pg. 137, T&C 138 par. 18)

Isn't the ministry of the children of Abraham to lead souls to salvation?

Would the children of Abraham trifle with the souls of men?

This, as I understand it, constitutes the original religion of Adam that must be restored in its fullness on the earth in  the latter days.

How does this fit under the context of what Nephi is declaring to his brothers concerning the House of Israel in the latter days?

And at that day shall the remnant of our seed know that they are of the house of Israel and that they are the covenant people of the Lord. And then shall they know and come to the knowledge of their forefathers, and also to the knowledge of the gospel of their Redeemer, which was ministered unto their fathers by him. Wherefore, they shall come to the knowledge of their Redeemer and the very points of his doctrine, that they may know how to come unto him and be saved. And then at that day, will they not rejoice and give praise unto their everlasting God, their rock, and their salvation? Yea, at that day, will they not receive strength and nourishment from the true vine? Yea, will they not come unto the true fold of God? Behold, I say unto you, yea, they shall be numbered again among the house of Israel; they shall be grafted in, being a natural branch of the olive tree, into the true olive tree; and this is what our father meaneth... Wherefore, our father hath not spoken of our seed alone, but also of all the house of Israel.

Who are the forefathers or Fathers that the seed of Lehi and of the rest of the House of Israel will come to a knowledge of?

Is this in any way related to the hearts of the children being turned to the heart of the Fathers as Malachi prophesied?

As Nephi speaks of Lehi's seed and also of the rest of the House of Israel coming to a knowledge of the gospel of their Redeemer is it possible that "the gospel of their Redeemer" is the original gospel had by Adam at the beginning?

When Nephi speaks of the seed of Lehi and the rest of the House of Israel knowing the very points of the doctrine of their Redeemer and also knowing how to come unto Him to be saved does that not require what the Prophet Joseph declared must be present to have saving knowledge even the ability to speak with Jehovah in a friendly and familiar manner?

What does it mean to receive strength and nourishment from the true vine?

Who is the true vine?

I am the true vine or head of the Father’s family, and my Father is the husbandman over that family. Every branch connected to me that does not produce fruit, he will remove, and every branch that produces fruit he will prune back so that it produces better fruit. You will bear fruit if you follow the things I have taught you. Stay connected to me as part of the Heavenly family, and I will nourish you. Just as a branch cannot produce fruit if it is not connected to the vine, neither will you be able to bear fruit unless you remain connected with me. I am the vine, and you are the branches. He that stays connected to me, and I to him, will be abundantly fruitful; but without the connection to me you will perish. If a man loses his connection with me, he is merely a withered branch; and men take the withered branches, cut them away and burn them. If you stay connected to me, and my words live in you, you will ask according to my will, and you will be given the ability to accomplish my will. It will please and vindicate my Father if you produce abundant fruit, and that will prove you follow me. Just like the Father has loved me, I have in turn likewise loved you. Therefore, remain connected with me and my love will be with you. If you practice my teachings you will always remain connected with me; just as I have kept my Father’s teachings and have remained connected with him. (John 15:1 - 10, T&C 171, The Testimony of St John 10 par. 17)

As I presently understand it, to receive strength and nourishment from the true vine is to be connected to the true vine, Christ, in the family of God which can only happen as one knows the Lord face to face in this life and has a friendly and familiar communication with Him.

Aren't such things the privileges that belong to the true fold of God?

Is it possible that the fold of God could also be another name for the Order of the Son of God that the Father's belonged to?

Do we think at all that the Order would be just men?

If the image of God and the Son of God is a husband and a wife wouldn't entering into the Order be done by both a husband and a wife together; both becoming children of Abraham?

In the allegory of the olive tree is it possible that fruit that is worthy of preservation, being born from scattered branches being grafted back in to the natural tree, consists of people who are saved and have eternal life through diligence and faith on Jesus Christ?

All of this must occur. 

Nephi speaking by the power of the Holy Ghost that was in him declared that all of this was pointing to the covenant which should be fulfilled in the latter days, which covenant the Lord made to our father Abraham, saying, In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

How powerful is this covenant that the Lord swore to Abraham in shaping the history of the world today?

Isn't it this covenant that is driving the real work of the Lord in the latter days?

In a revelation the Lord gave in 2017 He declared to a small group of gentiles 

For the sake of the promises to the fathers will I labor with you as a people, and not because of you, for you have not yet become what you must be to live together in peace. If you will hearken to my words, I will make you my people and my words will give you peace. Even a single soul who stirs up the hearts of others to anger can destroy the peace of all my people. Each of you must equally walk truly in my path, not only to profess, but to do as you profess. (T&C 157 par. 19)

As a cultural gentile don't I also have the promise that if I perform the works of Abraham that I also can be adopted into the house of Abraham and become a child of Abraham possessing the very same priesthood?

Nephi declared that this opportunity is open to the gentiles because the Lord intends to vindicate His covenant with Abraham.

Nephi declared that the above will not come to pass until after they are scattered by the gentiles. And he meaneth that it shall come by way of the gentiles, that the Lord may shew his power unto the gentiles for the very cause that he shall be rejected of the Jews, or of the house of Israel. 
 
Nephi's declaration to his brothers here is huge!

Right now before our eyes the Lord is performing a work to restore Israel and vindicate His covenant with Abraham.  All are invited to be a part of His work.  I would invite all to come and be a part.

We spoke in an earlier post of how events will occur which will cause those in power to stand and wonder because it had never occurred to them that the Lord would perform such marvelous works.

Nephi speaks of just how much power the Lord will display as He vindicates His covenant with Abraham.

Nevertheless, after they have been nursed by the gentiles, and the Lord has lifted up his hand upon the gentiles, and set them up for a standard, and their children have been carried in their arms, and their daughters have been carried upon their shoulders — behold, these things of which are spoken are temporal, for thus is the covenants of the Lord with our fathers. And it meaneth us in the days to come, and also all our brethren who are of the house of Israel. And it meaneth that the time cometh that after all the house of Israel have been scattered and confounded, that the Lord God will raise up a mighty nation among the gentiles, yea, even upon the face of this land, and by them shall our seed be scattered. And after our seed is scattered, the Lord God will proceed to do a marvelous work among the gentiles which shall be of great worth unto our seed. Wherefore, it is likened unto their being nursed by the gentiles and being carried in their arms and upon their shoulders. And it shall also be of worth unto the gentiles, and not only unto the gentiles but unto all the house of Israel, unto the making known of the covenants of the Father of Heaven unto Abraham, saying, In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. And I would, my brethren, that ye should know that all the kindreds of the earth cannot be blessed unless he shall make bare his arm in the eyes of the nations. Wherefore, the Lord God will proceed to make bare his arm in the eyes of all the nations, in bringing about his covenants and his gospel unto those who are of the house of Israel. Wherefore, he will bring them again out of captivity, and they shall be gathered together to the lands of their first inheritance, and they shall be brought out of obscurity and out of darkness, and they shall know that the Lord is their Savior and their Redeemer, the Mighty One of Israel. (1 Nephi 22:6 - 12, NC 1 Nephi 7 par. 3)

When the Lord made bare His arm in the eyes of one nation, Egypt, what happened with Egypt?

This marvelous work has now begun among some few repentant gentiles and before the culmination of the Lord's strange act all the nations of the earth shall see the power of the Lord God as He makes bare His arm in the eyes of all the nations in order to bring about the vindication of His covenants and His gospel or Priesthood, the original gospel or Priesthood that was had by Adam at the beginning, unto the house of Israel.

This subject is so great that it is impossible for me to share even a little of my limited understanding concerning it in this post.

Please read and study the scriptures and please read and study the two papers I referenced at the beginning and ask the Lord to open up this subject to you.

I am also curious about the Lord's and Peter's teachings concerning this covenant as they both taught members of the house of Israel, following the Lord's resurrection.

Their words were almost identical.

Here's the Lord to the Nephites.

...Behold, I am he of whom Moses spake, saying, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass that every soul who will not hear that prophet shall be cut off from among the people. Verily I say unto you, yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have testified of me. And behold, ye are the children of the prophets, and ye are of the house of Israel, and ye are of the covenant which the Father made with your fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed, the Father having raised me up unto you first, and sent me to bless you in turning away every one of you from his iniquities — and this because ye are the children of the covenant. And after that ye were blessed, then fulfilleth the Father the covenant which he made with Abraham, saying, In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed, unto the pouring out of the holy ghost through me upon the gentiles, which blessing upon the gentiles shall make them mighty above all, unto the scattering of my people, O house of Israel... (3 Nephi 20:21 - 29, NC 3 Nephi 9 par. 8)

Here's Peter to those at Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.

... For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall you hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass that every soul who will not hear that prophet shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. You are the children of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in your seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first, God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.(Acts 3:17 - 26, NC Acts 2 par. 3)

According to the Lord and Peter, the covenant with Abraham was also fulfilled at that time, first with the Lord coming among the house of Israel in mortality to turn away every one of them from their iniquities and then second the Lord declared to have the holy ghost poured out upon the gentiles through Him.

How could this be spoken of by Christ and Peter as a fulfillment of this covenant in the meridian of time and yet Nephi's prophecy declares that this covenant will be fulfilled in the latter days?

Is it possible that any time an individual becomes a child of Abraham by receiving the same gospel or "Priesthood" that Abraham received that their ministry is a continual fulfillment of that covenant?

Would it be reasonable to declare that Christ was one of the seed of Abraham having done the works of Abraham?

Did Christs ministry bless all the kindreds of the earth?

Is it possible for prophecy and covenants to have multiple fulfillments?

Is it possible that Nephi, in his statement to his brothers here could be understood to be saying something like, "when this covenant gets fulfilled in the latter days, by restoring the original religion of Adam to the earth, it will happen among a group of repentant gentiles and then it will come from them to the scattered house of Israel"; Nephi understanding that this covenant would be fulfilled any time one of Abrahams seed ministered among the children of men?

Is it possible that for a period of three generations the true religion that existed with Adam and Abraham also existed among the Nephites following the visit of the resurrected Lord?

If so were not all families among the Nephites blessed by that religion or, in other words, blessed by the same gospel or Priesthood that Abraham possessed?

Did Christ declare to both those at Jerusalem and to the Nephites that He would visit His other sheep to make them all one fold?

Do we yet have any record of Christ's ministry beyond the Jews and the Nephites?

At that time, was not Christ blessing all of the scattered kindreds of the earth by His poet resurrection ministry to bring unto them salvation and eternal life?

Wouldn't the Lord's ministry at that time be a fulfillment indeed of His covenant to Abraham?

This covenant Nephi talks about is tremendously important and tremendously powerful.  Thanks to Nephi for speaking about it and thanks to the Lord for condescending to make such a covenant that blesses every man woman and child on the earth.


Wednesday, December 15, 2021

They Shall be Grafted In

 1 Nephi 15:12 - 18, NC 1 Nephi 4 par. 3


Behold, I say unto you that the house of Israel was compared unto an olive tree by the spirit of the Lord which was in our father. And behold, are we not broken off from the house of Israel? And are we not a branch of the house of Israel? And now the thing which our father meaneth concerning the grafting in of the natural branches through the fullness of the gentiles is that in the latter days, when our seed shall have dwindled in unbelief — yea, for the space of many years and many generations after the Messiah shall be manifested in body unto the children of men — then shall the fullness of the gospel of the Messiah come unto the gentiles, and from the gentiles unto the remnant of our seed. And at that day shall the remnant of our seed know that they are of the house of Israel and that they are the covenant people of the Lord. And then shall they know and come to the knowledge of their forefathers, and also to the knowledge of the gospel of their Redeemer, which was ministered unto their fathers by him. Wherefore, they shall come to the knowledge of their Redeemer and the very points of his doctrine, that they may know how to come unto him and be saved. And then at that day, will they not rejoice and give praise unto their everlasting God, their rock, and their salvation? Yea, at that day, will they not receive strength and nourishment from the true vine? Yea, will they not come unto the true fold of God? Behold, I say unto you, yea, they shall be numbered again among the house of Israel; they shall be grafted in, being a natural branch of the olive tree, into the true olive tree; and this is what our father meaneth. And he meaneth that it will not come to pass until after they are scattered by the gentiles. And he meaneth that it shall come by way of the gentiles, that the Lord may shew his power unto the gentiles for the very cause that he shall be rejected of the Jews, or of the house of Israel. Wherefore, our father hath not spoken of our seed alone, but also of all the house of Israel, pointing to the covenant which should be fulfilled in the latter days, which covenant the Lord made to our father Abraham, saying, In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.


The Stick of Joseph in the Hand of Ephraim 1 Nefi 4 par. 3


Behold, I say unto you that the house of Isra’el was compared unto an olive tree by the spirit of yhwh which was in our father. And behold, are we not broken off from the house of Isra’el? And are we 
not a branch of the house of Isra’el? And now the thing which our father means concerning the grafting in of the natural branches through the Milo HaGoyim is that in the latter days, when our seed shall have dwindled in unbelief — yes, for the space of many years and many generations after the Mashiach shall be manifested in body unto the children of men — then shall the fulness of the besorah of the Mashiach come unto the Goyim, and from the Goyim unto the remnant of our seed. And at that day shall the remnant of our seed know that they are of the house of Isra’el and that they are the covenant people of yhwh. And then shall they know and come to the knowledge of their forefathers, and also to the knowledge of the besorah of their Redeemer, which was taught unto their fathers by him. Wherefore, they shall come to the knowledge of their Redeemer and the very points of his doctrine, that they may know how to come unto him and be saved. And then at that day, will they not rejoice and give praise unto their El Olam, their rock, and their salvation?  Yes, at that day, will they not receive strength and nourishment from the true vine? Yes, will they not come unto the true fold of Elohim?  Behold, I say unto you, yes, they shall be numbered again among the house of Isra’el; they shall be grafted in, being a natural branch of the olive tree, into the true olive tree; and this is what our father means. And he means that it will not come to pass until after they are scattered by the Goyim. And he means that it shall come by way of the Goyim, that yhwh may show his power unto the Goyim for the very cause that he shall be rejected of the Y’hudim, or of the house of Isra’el. Wherefore, our father has not spoken of our seed alone, but also of all the house of Isra’el, pointing to the covenant which should be fulfilled in the latter days, which covenant yhwh made to our father Avraham, saying, In your seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

If we look back, is it possible for us to see that Lehi talked to his sons about many many things?

Didn't Lehi rehearse to his sons concerning the destruction and captivity of the Jews as well as their return to Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah and the forerunner of the Messiah, John the Baptist?

Didn't Lehi talk to them of the baptism of the Messiah and also of His sacrifice and resurrection?

Didn't Lehi speak concerning the gospel that the Lord would preach among the Jews and the Jew's eventual dwindling in unbelief because of their rejection of His words?

Didn't Lehi speak to them of the Messiah manifesting Himself to the gentiles by the power of the Holy Ghost after His resurrection?

Didn't Lehi speak of all these things before speaking of the House of Israel and how they would be scattered and how it would be by the coming forth of the fullness of the gospel to the gentiles that all of the scattered branches of the House of Israel who had dwindled in unbelief would be grafted back in to the true vine?

With all of these many great things that Lehi declared, all of them being future expectations, why was the question from Nephi's brothers a question about the gentiles and the natural branches needing to be grafted back in?

As I ask this next question I want to clarify that I am not, by asking this question, seeking to denigrate Nephi's brothers.  I consider that their situation in posing the question mirrors my own situation.  I hope that by looking into a possible reason for their asking of the question I might be able to discover a weakness I possess and maybe focus on getting rid of it.

The question I have is, is it more difficult to understand things that are spoken to us by the power of the holy ghost if we have strongly held traditions coloring our views?

Is it possible that Nephi's brothers struggled with what Lehi had declared concerning the branches of the House of Israel being grafted back in through the gentiles possessing the fullness of the gospel because their tradition dictated that the House of Israel would never be confounded and that the gentiles remained outside of the the promises given to Abraham; they, the gentiles, were not blood of Abraham? 

One reason I wonder concerning this is the following statements from Nephi's brothers.

And now it came to pass that I, Nephi, was exceeding sorrowful because of the hardness of their hearts. And now when they saw that I began to be sorrowful, they were glad in their hearts, insomuch that they did rejoice over me, saying, We knew that ye could not construct a ship, for we knew that ye were lacking in judgment; wherefore, thou canst not accomplish so great a work. And thou art like unto our father, led away by the foolish imaginations of his heart. Yea, he hath led us out of the land of Jerusalem, and we have wandered in the wilderness for these many years. And our women have toiled, being big with child; and they have borne children in the wilderness and suffered all things save it were death. And it would have been better that they had died before they came out of Jerusalem than to have suffered these afflictions. Behold, these many years we have suffered in the wilderness, which time we might have enjoyed our possessions and the land of our inheritance; yea, and we might have been happy. And we know that the people who were in the land of Jerusalem were a righteous people, for they keep the statutes and the judgments of the Lord, and all his commandments according to the law of Moses; wherefore, we know that they are a righteous people. And our father hath judged them and hath led us away because we would hearken unto his word; yea, and our brother is like unto him. And after this manner of language did my brethren murmur and complain against us. (1 Nephi 17:19 - 22, NC 1 Nephi 5 par. 17)

Is it possible that Nephi's brothers considered that it was impossible for the House of Israel to dwindle in unbelief and be scattered because they knew, from their deeply held tradition, that the people at Jerusalem were righteous because they did strictly observe the law of Moses?

John the Baptist, seeking to disabuse the Jewish rulers of his day of their false ideas, declared the following to them concerning their tradition of being children of Abraham.

And the same John had his raiment of camel’s hair and a leather girdle about his loins, and his food was locusts and wild honey. Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judea, and all the region round about Jordan. And many were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Why is it that you receive not the preaching of him whom God has sent? If you receive not this in your hearts, you receive not me. And if you receive not me, you receive not him of whom I am sent to bear record; and for your sins, you have no cloak. Repent therefore and bring forth fruits meet for repentance. And think not to say within yourselves, We are the children of Abraham, and we only have power to bring seed unto our father Abraham; for I say unto you that God is able, of these stones, to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also, the ax is laid unto the root of the trees; therefore, every tree which brings not forth good fruit shall be hewn down and cast into the fire. (Matthew 3:4 - 10, NC Matthew 2 par. 2)

Is it possible to look at history and see that scripture, throughout all time, has been either misapplied or wrested or both by people, whether well intentioned or not, and that results in the creation of traditions that are handed down from parents to children over time until these false traditions are riveted in the hearts of children so that the children are unable to see truth because it runs up against their tradition?

Do we have any examples of this in the Book of Mormon?

Now the Lamanites knew nothing concerning the Lord nor the strength of the Lord, therefore they depended upon their own strength; yet they were a strong people as to the strength of men. They were a wild, and ferocious, and a bloodthirsty people, believing in the tradition of their fathers, which is this: Believing that they were driven out of the land of Jerusalem because of the iniquities of their fathers, and that they were wronged in the wilderness by their brethren, and they were also wronged while crossing the sea, and again, that they were wronged while in the land of their first inheritance after they had crossed the sea — and all this because that Nephi was more faithful in keeping the commandments of the Lord. Therefore he was favored of the Lord, for the Lord heard his prayers and answered them, and he took the lead of their journey in the wilderness. And his brethren were wroth with him because they understood not the dealings of the Lord. They were also wroth with him upon the waters because they hardened their hearts against the Lord. And again they were wroth with him when they had arrived to the promised land, because they said that he had taken the ruling of the people out of their hands; and they sought to kill him. And again they were wroth with him because he departed into the wilderness as the Lord had commanded him and took the records which were engraven upon the plates of brass, for they said that he robbed them. And thus they have taught their children that they should hate them, and that they should murder them, and that they should rob and plunder them, and do all they could to destroy them. Therefore they have an eternal hatred towards the children of Nephi. For this very cause has king Laman — by his cunning, and lying craftiness, and his fair promises — deceived me, that I have brought this my people up into this land that they may destroy them. Yea, and we have suffered this many years in the land. (Mosiah 10:11 - 18, NC Mosiah 6 par. 12)

Didn't it take several generations before the Lord, who sees the thoughts of all men's hearts, determined that He could send His servants, the sons of Mosiah, and later the brothers Nephi and Lehi, to preach righteousness among the Lamanites at a point in time where the Lamanites would be able to let go of the traditions of their fathers?

Prior to these times hadn't the Nephites tried to restore the Lamanites and the Lamanites would not be restored because of their traditions?

And now it came to pass that I, Enos, went about among the people of Nephi, prophesying of things to come and testifying of the things which I had heard and seen. And I bear record that the people of Nephi did seek diligently to restore the Lamanites unto the true faith in God, but our labors were vain. Their hatred was fixed, and they were led by their evil nature, that they became wild and ferocious, and a bloodthirsty people, full of idolatry and filthiness, feeding upon beasts of prey, dwelling in tents, and wandering about in the wilderness with a short skin girted about their loins and their heads shaven. And their skill was in the bow, and the cimeter, and the ax; and many of them did eat nothing save it was raw meat. And they were continually seeking to destroy us. (Enos 1:19 - 20, NC Enos 1 par. 5)

Do I adhere to traditions today that have the effect of blinding my eyes to truth?

Is it possible for me to hold traditions that cause me to reject the words of the Lord sent through one of His servants?

I would recommend a book titled Jesus Through Middle Eastern Eyes, "Cultural Studies in the Gospels".

Two things occurred while I was reading this book.

1) I saw how my own personal and cultural traditions, handed down through generations, have always colored how I have interpreted the New Testament Gospels and the teachings of Jesus.

2) I saw how the Lord's mission to the Jews both confronted and offended the traditional views the Jews held onto.  In Nazareth, the Lord's home town, this was exceedingly enraging to the local populace.  It was always enraging to the ruling class.

I believe, for me, that it is only by being willing to listen to and being willing to consider things that possibly oppose my own deeply held traditions and by being willing to let go of traditions handed down to me for generations, if I am persuaded that they are false, that I will ever be able to be a truth seeker.

Do children hold traditions when they are small or do they allow traditions to keep them from listening to other views?

Are children easily entreated?

Is it possible that these are qualities that the Lord had in mind when He declared that we need to become as a little child?

Would it be easier for me to  ponder upon and give careful and solemn thought to the Lord's words if I am willing to listen to and consider others' points of view?

Is it possible that the Lord's words may come from completely surprising and unexpected sources?

Is it possible that to study out something in your mind before approaching the Lord, which applies to us as well as it did to Oliver Cowdery, includes listening to and considering points of view that may contradict our deeply held traditions concerning a matter?

Should I consider that if I were in the position of being one of Nephi's brothers that I would find myself in just the exact situation as they were at this time in the record?

Nephi begins to expound on his father, Lehi's, words by explaining a topic that repeats several times in the Book of Mormon; this being the second repeat of this topic in the Book of Mormon record during their sojourn in the valley of Laman by the river of Lemuel among Lehi's family.

If a subject is repeated in scripture, should I consider that it would be important to understand?

Is it reasonable to conclude from the contents of the scripture record and from world history that Lehi's words concerning the dwindling of his seed in unbelief and their scattering by the gentiles and the scattering of the whole House of Israel have been fulfilled?

If the dwindling in unbelief and the scattering has been completed then where are we now with respect to the fulfillment of Lehi's other words  then shall the fullness of the gospel of the Messiah come unto the gentiles, and from the gentiles unto the remnant of our seed. And at that day shall the remnant of our seed know that they are of the house of Israel and that they are the covenant people of the Lord. And then shall they know and come to the knowledge of their forefathers, and also to the knowledge of the gospel of their Redeemer, which was ministered unto their fathers by him. Wherefore, they shall come to the knowledge of their Redeemer and the very points of his doctrine, that they may know how to come unto him and be saved. And then at that day, will they not rejoice and give praise unto their everlasting God, their rock, and their salvation? Yea, at that day, will they not receive strength and nourishment from the true vine? Yea, will they not come unto the true fold of God? Behold, I say unto you, yea, they shall be numbered again among the house of Israel; they shall be grafted in, being a natural branch of the olive tree, into the true olive tree; and this is what our father meaneth. And he meaneth that it will not come to pass until after they are scattered by the gentiles. And he meaneth that it shall come by way of the gentiles, that the Lord may shew his power unto the gentiles for the very cause that he shall be rejected of the Jews, or of the house of Israel. Wherefore, our father hath not spoken of our seed alone, but also of all the house of Israel, pointing to the covenant which should be fulfilled in the latter days, which covenant the Lord made to our father Abraham, saying, In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.?

As I presently understand it, an opportunity to receive the fulness of the gospel of the Messiah was presented by the Lord to the gentiles at the beginning of the Restoration, with the Prophet Joseph possessing the power and authority to establish this fulness among the gentiles if the gentiles would repent and respond to the words of the Lord through Joseph.

During this time, at the very beginning, the first mission labor was to the Lamanites.

The following is a history of that attempt.

Joseph Smith was born in 1805. Two years earlier, in 1803, we have the Louisiana Purchase. We
fought a war in 1812, and our enemies from Great Britain managed to co-opt the Indian tribes as
their ally in the war of 1812. We fought Great Britain back in 1776, then again in 1812. In 1812 they
managed to persuade the Indian tribes to come aboard with them and fight. So Americans were
fighting Indians in addition to the Brits. We decided we can't have that.

On September 21, 1823, through the night to September 22, the angel Moroni visited Joseph Smith.
By June of the next year (1824), the Rev. Isaac McCoy was in Washington D.C. lobbying for a new
law to be adopted. He would stay, lobby, irritate, agitate, persuade and finally convince Congress
there needed to be something done to prevent anything like the Indian alliance with a foreign power
from ever threatening the United States again. We've learned by sad experience, that when Indians
get a foreign power, as they are pleased to call it, they will immediately begin to excise Americans.
So Isaac McCoy made his case. In April 1830, the church was organized. Six weeks later, after the
organization of the church, the Indian Removal Act was passed in May 1830. The work that the Rev.
McCoy undertook had borne fruit. With the adoption of the Indian Removal Act, all Indians inside
the borders of the United States (as it was then configured), were forcibly removed from the Eastern
United States and placed into part of the property purchased in the Louisiana Purchase. This area
was given the name "the Indian Territory." All Indians were relocated west of Missouri, on a north south
line, that divided the United States from Indian territory.

Just as the mission among the Lamanites began, President Andrew Jackson, enforcing the law
adopted in 1830, was forcibly moving all the Indians. Remember the Trail of Tears and all the rest of
that? This was part of the Indian Relocation Act. Have you asked yourself why the Delawares
wound up living in the Louisiana Purchase area?

President Andrew Jackson was relocating all Indians to just over the western border of the Missouri
line. Therefore, at that moment in time, when the first four missionaries left on their mission, if they
were going to locate any of the American Indians, they had to go to Missouri. That was where to
encounter them. There was no other choice, you had to go there.

As it turned out, the location of Independence, Missouri was exactly in the middle of the areas
allocated to the different Indian tribes. Independence was at the center of the land adjacent to the
place the Indians were located. It also happened to be the trailhead for the only trail that came out
West, the Santa Fe Trail. This was the only trail west from Missouri to the Pacific.

At the moment when the first missionaries went out, Independence was the center of the relocated
Indians. As for the Delawares, we have a state on the East Coast named after their tribe. But the
tribe was located at that time on the other side of Missouri, in the Louisiana Purchase property.
Parley Pratt, as one of the first missionaries, went and preached to the Delawares. Have you ever
scratched your head and wondered what it was the Delaware were doing on the other side of
Missouri's Western boundary? Chief Anderson (that was his American name) Chief Anderson of the
Delaware tribe was taught by Parley Pratt. Parley gave him a Book of Mormon. You've read about
that in The Autobiography of Parley P. Pratt.

At the time the Indian agent was Richard W. Cummins. The Indian agent forced the missionaries to
leave the Indian territory. In fact he threatened to take them to Fort Leavenworth and incarcerate
them if they didn't leave the Indian territory.

Delilah McCoy Likens, was the daughter of the Rev. Isaac McCoy. This was the same Isaac McCoy
who was responsible for the adoption of the Indian Relocation Act. Delilah was happy to inform
her father in a letter she wrote on July 31,1831 of the following. "The Mormonites are about to take the
country. They are preaching and baptizing through the country, and are trying to proceed West to find the new Jerusalem, which they say is toward the Rocky Mountains. The agent has driven them off this side of the line and forbids their crossing it."

It was impossible because of the law, the agents, the circumstances, and the threat of arrest for “Mormonite” missionaries to get any closer to the Indians than Independence, Missouri. If they
stepped across the boundary they would have been arrested and sent to Fort Leavenworth. Rev. Isaac McCoy was quoted in the daily Missouri Republican, November 28, 1833 as saying: "The Mormons as I suppose from information, came here so ignorant of laws regulating intercourse with the Indian tribes,
that they expected to pass on into the Indian Territory, procure lands of the Indians, aid them and adopting habits of civilization, and attach them to their party. At the western line of Missouri they were arrested by the proper authorities of government."

It becomes increasingly clear the original target of the first missionary effort had nothing to do with
stopping at Independence, Missouri. It had a great deal to do with going into the western mountains,
the Rocky Mountains, and establishing Zion. But the good Rev. Isaac McCoy, the father of the
Indian Relocation Act, whose daughter was there on the scene married to a minister, combined to
stop the missionaries. All these parties were motivated by false religious ideals. Of course, both then
and now, the best way to oppose Zion is always to have false religious ideas. The required false
religionists were right on the spot at the very moment when, at its incipient stage, under the
guidance of Joseph Smith, the first effort began to establish the New Jerusalem. They couldn't
accomplish it then...

...I want to read to you from Joseph Smith's history, at the very end of his life on Saturday, June
22,1844 five days before he would be slain. You can read this in The Documented History of the Church, volume 6, page 547. "Hyrum came out of the mansion and gave his hand to Reynolds Cahoon, at the same time saying, 'The company of men are seeking to kill my brother Joseph, and the Lord has warned him to flee to the Rocky Mountains to save his life. Goodbye brother Cahoon, we shall see you again.' In a few minutes afterward Joseph came
from his family, his tears were flowing fast. He held a handkerchief to his face, following Brother Hyrum without uttering a word." So Joseph received a revelation on June 22, 1844 telling him to go to the Rocky Mountains. In June 1844 there were no more Indians in the area around Independence. They left. The location in 1831 was temporary, the circumstances were fluid, and by 1844 things had changed. (Forty Years in Mormonism Series, Denversnuffer.com, "Zion", Lecture 6, pgs. 161 - 164 )

My present understanding is that a necessary part of completing the Restoration is to present the fulness of the gospel to the children of Lehi in a way that they can be grafted back in to the natural tree. That is part of the responsibility of possessing the Book of Mormon; to present it to the descendants of the writers of the text and to the Jews who are also children of promise.

I also presently believe that this must be done while the power and authority is present on earth to re-establish the religion that was had among Adam in the beginning, the fulness of the gospel.  Joseph was given this power and authority from heaven.

I believe that when Joseph and Hyrum were killed by the conspiracy of traitors, the saints having failed to live up to the requirement the Lord had established in Nauvoo, that power and authority to complete the Restoration was taken from the earth; Heaven was offended.

This was prophesied to happen by the Lord at the time He visited the Nephites following His resurrection.

...and, thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fullness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations, and if they shall do all these things, and shall reject the fullness of my gospel, Behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fullness of my gospel from among them. And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them. And I will shew unto thee, O house of Israel, that the gentiles shall not have power over you, but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fullness of my gospel. But if the gentiles will repent and return unto me, saith the Father, behold, they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel. And I will not suffer my people who are of the house of Israel to go through among them and tread them down, saith the Father. But if they will not turn unto me and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them — yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel — that they shall go through among them and shall tread them down and they shall be as salt that hath lost its savor, which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out and to be trodden underfoot of my people, O house of Israel. (3 Nephi 16:8 - 15, NC 3 Nephi 7 par. 5)

Again, as I presently understand it, the task to take the fulness of the gospel to the seed of Lehi is still a future expectation for a group of gentiles who will finally repent and work towards obtaining the fulness of the gospel that the gentiles or gentile church initially rejected.

I believe that the founding of the New Jerusalem and Zion as well as the grafting back in of the scattered tribes of Israel, with the descendants of Lehi being one of the scattered branches, are events that are connected and will necessarily occur alongside each other or one will come about as a result of the work to accomplish the other.

When we have an opportunity to accomplish something with the approval of the Lord, we need to
do our part. The Lord is going to be the one who ultimately decides where the actual
accomplishment will take place. When it takes place, it's going to be in the mountains, and you need
not guess which mountains. The mountains are going to be out here in the West. It will be exactly
where the first missionaries were sent. They were stopped by the confluence of the law, hostile
society, and the management of the Indian tribes in 1831. When they tried to cross and go west, they
were threatened with arrest. They decided if they couldn't go west to find the location for a New
Jerusalem, they would do what they could as close to their target as they could get. They made the
practical decision to take the local, relocated Indians, and establish Zion right there on that spot.
The Lord gave a series of Revelations in which He essentially said, "If you can do that, then do that.
And that is acceptable to me and that will be Zion. Go to and have at it." When they failed He
essentially said: "Here is why you didn't pull it off: your jarrings, your envies, your lusts, your
contentions, that's why you didn't pull it off." But He has also said, in one of those extraordinarily
clever things the Lord does throughout history: "Zion will not be moved out of its place."
(Forty Years in Mormonism Series, Denversnuffer.com, "Zion", Lecture 6, pg. 164 )

Is now such a time when it is possible again, following four generations of cursing, for a repentant group of gentiles to seek after the fulness of the gospel and fulfill the responsibility to take the fulness of the gospel to the seed of Lehi so that they can receive everything Nephi told his brothers here?

And at that day shall the remnant of our seed know that they are of the house of Israel and that they are the covenant people of the Lord. And then shall they know and come to the knowledge of their forefathers, and also to the knowledge of the gospel of their Redeemer, which was ministered unto their fathers by him. Wherefore, they shall come to the knowledge of their Redeemer and the very points of his doctrine, that they may know how to come unto him and be saved. And then at that day, will they not rejoice and give praise unto their everlasting God, their rock, and their salvation? Yea, at that day, will they not receive strength and nourishment from the true vine? Yea, will they not come unto the true fold of God? Behold, I say unto you, yea, they shall be numbered again among the house of Israel; they shall be grafted in, being a natural branch of the olive tree, into the true olive tree; and this is what our father meaneth.

Please consider the following as we look at how this must be accomplished.

In 3 Nephi chapter 21, the Lord talked about some things that become exceptionally relevant in light of what we have covered today. “And verily I say unto you, I give unto you a sign, that ye may know the time when these things shall be about to take place—that I shall gather in, from their long dispersion, my people, O house of Israel, and shall establish again among them my Zion.” [This is addressing all of those various remnants, wherever they may be found, so long as they are some residue of the house of Israel.] “And behold, this is the thing which I will give unto you for a sign—for verily I say unto you that when these things which I declare unto you, and which I shall declare unto you hereafter of myself, and by the power of the Holy Ghost which shall be given unto you of the Father, shall be made known unto the Gentiles [You see, the Gentiles had to first receive some things] that they [the Gentiles] may know concerning this people who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, and concerning this my people who shall be scattered by them [the Gentiles]. Verily, verily, I say unto you, when these things shall be made known unto them [some constituent group of the Gentiles] of the Father, and shall come forth of the Father, from them unto you.”

It cannot come from any source other than from the Father. The Father and Christ being one. The authority to minister and to deliver His Gospel must come from Them. The power to baptize before the end will be brought forth from some remnant of the Gentiles who will bear it.

“For it is wisdom in the Father that they [the Gentiles] should be established in this land, and be set up as a free people by the power of the Father, that these things might come forth from them [the Gentiles] unto a remnant of your seed, that the covenant of the Father may be fulfilled which he hath covenanted with his people, O house of Israel.”

“O house of Israel” is much more than one group. “O house of Israel” is inclusive of all the scattered bits and remnants, wherever they may be found anywhere on earth. I talked about fulfillment of covenants when we were in Centerville. All the covenants that apply to His people Israel, and the remnants, need to be gathered into one group.

“Therefore, when these works and the works which shall be wrought among you hereafter shall come forth from the Gentiles.” [Not their “book,” but their “works.” Not their book, which has been brought out in 1830, but the “works” to bring the Doctrine of Christ to them. Someone must establish repentance, declare Christ’s doctrine, and baptize by the authority of Christ, to have people then baptized by fire and the Holy Ghost. These are the works.]“Shall come forth from the Gentiles, unto your seed which shall dwindle in unbelief because of iniquity; For thus it behooveth the Father that it should come forth from the Gentiles, that he may show forth his power unto the Gentiles.”

That is what He now needs to do with some who will assist in the work. That is what He intends to do if you will receive it. “For this cause that the Gentiles, if they will not harden their hearts, that they may repent and come unto me and be baptized in my name and know of the true points of my doctrine, that they may be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.”

You can’t get there except through the power of the doctrine and the power of the ordinance of baptism performed with power. God has given us the way, and told us how it is to be performed with the exactness, fidelity and language given to us by Christ Himself. “And when these things come to pass that thy seed shall begin to know these things—it shall be a sign unto them, that they may know that the work of the Father hath already commenced unto the fulfilling of the covenant which he hath made unto the people who are of the house of Israel.”

All of Israel will receive this witness that His work has commenced. “And when that day shall come, it shall come to pass that kings shall shut their mouths; for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider. For in that day, for my sake shall the Father work a work, which shall be a great and a marvelous work among them; and there shall be among them those who will not believe it, although a man shall declare it unto them. But behold, the life of my servant shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them. Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil. Therefore it shall come to pass that whosoever will not believe in my words, who am Jesus Christ, which the Father shall cause him to bring forth unto the Gentiles, and shall give unto him power that he shall bring them forth unto the Gentiles, (it shall be done even as Moses said) they shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant. Therefore it shall come to pass that whosoever will not believe in my words, who am Jesus Christ…”

These are Christ’s words. We touched on these words in the beginning back in Boise. It was quoted by the angel Moroni referring to Joseph Smith, Acts 3, verses 22- 23. “For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.”

That prophet is Christ. It does not say Christ is going to come and deliver His words, it says “His words.” “Those who will not believe my words, who am Jesus Christ, they shall be cut off.” And the angel Moroni said to Joseph in verse 40 of the Joseph Smith History, “The day had not yet come when “they who would not hear his voice should be cut off from among the people,” but soon would come.”

That prophet is Christ. His words are what I have spoken to you today. We must all respond to His words, because if we will not we will be cut off from among the people. ("98: God in Our Day, Part 2", Denver Snuffer Podcast, December 18, 2019)

In the previous post "The House of Israel Shall No More Be Confounded" I shared my living witness that this is the time presented to us now as gentiles where we have again the opportunity, with the power and authority existing on the earth, to repent and be a part of this work now underway.

The Lord is setting forth His hand again this second time to recover His people Israel and He has established ordinances which are intended to bring gentiles into the House of Israel which places upon those adopted gentiles the responsibility to take these ordinances and this gospel to scattered Israel.

This is a reoccurring theme throughout the Book of Mormon. 

My present belief and understanding is that the fulfillment of these words of father Lehi are underway among a group of repentant gentiles who have accepted a covenant that God has provided for everyone on the earth if they so desire to receive it.

It is impossible for me to say what ought to be said concerning this matter in this blog.

I invite everyone to participate in the work now underway and I again give my living witness that this work is God's work.

I have studied the scriptures and the words the Lord is declaring now, I have partaken of the ordinances He has renewed again, and I have participated in a very small way in this work.  All of this has enlarged my soul and has become delicious to me.  That is how I know that this work is God's.  This is my living witness. 

I believe that this topic is critical to understand if we are to be able to get our bearings, where we are before God, in the history of the world we now find ourselves in.

Sunday, December 5, 2021

The Spirit of the Lord Which was in Our Father


1 Nephi 15:12 - 18, NC 1 Nephi 4 par. 3


Behold, I say unto you that the house of Israel was compared unto an olive tree by the spirit of the Lord which was in our father. And behold, are we not broken off from the house of Israel? And are we not a branch of the house of Israel? And now the thing which our father meaneth concerning the grafting in of the natural branches through the fullness of the gentiles is that in the latter days, when our seed shall have dwindled in unbelief — yea, for the space of many years and many generations after the Messiah shall be manifested in body unto the children of men — then shall the fullness of the gospel of the Messiah come unto the gentiles, and from the gentiles unto the remnant of our seed. And at that day shall the remnant of our seed know that they are of the house of Israel and that they are the covenant people of the Lord. And then shall they know and come to the knowledge of their forefathers, and also to the knowledge of the gospel of their Redeemer, which was ministered unto their fathers by him. Wherefore, they shall come to the knowledge of their Redeemer and the very points of his doctrine, that they may know how to come unto him and be saved. And then at that day, will they not rejoice and give praise unto their everlasting God, their rock, and their salvation? Yea, at that day, will they not receive strength and nourishment from the true vine? Yea, will they not come unto the true fold of God? Behold, I say unto you, yea, they shall be numbered again among the house of Israel; they shall be grafted in, being a natural branch of the olive tree, into the true olive tree; and this is what our father meaneth. And he meaneth that it will not come to pass until after they are scattered by the gentiles. And he meaneth that it shall come by way of the gentiles, that the Lord may shew his power unto the gentiles for the very cause that he shall be rejected of the Jews, or of the house of Israel. Wherefore, our father hath not spoken of our seed alone, but also of all the house of Israel, pointing to the covenant which should be fulfilled in the latter days, which covenant the Lord made to our father Abraham, saying, In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.


The Stick of Joseph in the Hand of Ephraim 1 Nefi 4 par. 3


Behold, I say unto you that the house of Isra’el was compared unto an olive tree by the spirit of yhwh which was in our father. And behold, are we not broken off from the house of Isra’el? And are we 
not a branch of the house of Isra’el? And now the thing which our father means concerning the grafting in of the natural branches through the Milo HaGoyim is that in the latter days, when our seed shall have dwindled in unbelief — yes, for the space of many years and many generations after the Mashiach shall be manifested in body unto the children of men — then shall the fulness of the besorah of the Mashiach come unto the Goyim, and from the Goyim unto the remnant of our seed. And at that day shall the remnant of our seed know that they are of the house of Isra’el and that they are the covenant people of yhwh. And then shall they know and come to the knowledge of their forefathers, and also to the knowledge of the besorah of their Redeemer, which was taught unto their fathers by him. Wherefore, they shall come to the knowledge of their Redeemer and the very points of his doctrine, that they may know how to come unto him and be saved. And then at that day, will they not rejoice and give praise unto their El Olam, their rock, and their salvation?  Yes, at that day, will they not receive strength and nourishment from the true vine? Yes, will they not come unto the true fold of Elohim?  Behold, I say unto you, yes, they shall be numbered again among the house of Isra’el; they shall be grafted in, being a natural branch of the olive tree, into the true olive tree; and this is what our father means. And he means that it will not come to pass until after they are scattered by the Goyim. And he means that it shall come by way of the Goyim, that yhwh may show his power unto the Goyim for the very cause that he shall be rejected of the Y’hudim, or of the house of Isra’el. Wherefore, our father has not spoken of our seed alone, but also of all the house of Isra’el, pointing to the covenant which should be fulfilled in the latter days, which covenant yhwh made to our father Avraham, saying, In your seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.


Can we see here that Nephi considers the words of his father Lehi to be scripture?

He makes the comment to his brothers that I say unto you that the house of Israel was compared unto an olive tree by the spirit of the Lord which was in our father.

This is what the Lord has declared about words spoken by the power of the spirit.

Firstly, my servant Orson was called by his ordinance to proclaim the everlasting gospel, by the spirit of the living God, from people to people and from land to land, in the congregations of the wicked, in their synagogues, reasoning with and expounding all scriptures unto them. And behold and lo, this is an example unto all those who are ordained unto this priesthood, whose mission is appointed unto them to go forth. And this is the example unto them that they shall speak as they are moved upon by the holy ghost. And whatever they shall speak, when moved upon by the holy ghost, shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation. Behold, this is the promise of the Lord unto you, O you my servants. (D&C 68:1 - 5, T&C 55 par. 1)

I don't know if Orson Hyde ever attained to what the Lord invited him to attain to, what the Lord is offering here, but I would like to apply what the Lord declared here to Lehi and Nephi to see if they came up to and qualified under the above revelation, because my present understanding is that the Lord does not change and all are alike to God.

What does the Lord mean about all those who are ordained unto this priesthood?

What is "this priesthood"?

What is priesthood period?

I would recommend that everyone read and re-read and study the transcript of the lecture on "Priesthood" given in the 40 Years in Mormonism series of lectures found for free as a PDF download at Denversnuffer.com in the downloads section.

How would someone know if they have been "ordained" unto "this priesthood" or if someone they are hearing from has been "ordained" unto "this priesthood"?

I believe that the scriptures give the absolute best examples to use as a measure for indicating whether one is in possession of "this priesthood" or not.

The Lord declares that whosoever has "this priesthood", they are given a mission to "go forth".

Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becomes every man who has been warned to warn his neighbor. Therefore, they are left without excuse and their sins are upon their own heads. He that seeks me early shall find me, and shall not be forsaken. (D&C 88: 81 - 83, T&C 86 par. 15)

What happens if someone "goes forth" without having "this priesthood"?

Is it right or proper for someone to "go forth" based on their own initiative?

...Wherefore, let all men beware how they take my name in their lips, for behold, verily I say that many there be who are under this condemnation, who use the name of the Lord and use it in vain, having not authority. Wherefore, let the church repent of their sins and I the Lord will own them, otherwise they shall be cut off. (D&C 63:57 - 63, T&C 50 par. 14)

The Lord further declares that whosoever has "this priesthood" and is given a mission to "go forth" will speak as they are moved upon by the holy ghost.

Why would it be important for someone who has been sent forth to speak only as they are moved upon by the holy ghost?

Search these commandments for they are true and faithful, and the prophecies and promises which are in them shall all be fulfilled. What I, the Lord, have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself. And though the heaven and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by my own voice or by the voice of my servants it is the same. For behold and lo, the Lord is God and the spirit bears record, and the record is true, and the truth abides for ever and ever. Amen. (D&C 1:37 - 39, T&C 54 par. 7)

If the one of the Lord's servants speaks then the Lord is bound by those words, is He not?  The Lord has declared that it is the same whether the Lord speaks the words or whether the servants speak the words they are commanded to speak by the Lord.

Couldn't perilous unspeakable damage be done by a Servant of the Lord speaking outside of the bounds of the power of the holy ghost?

As I presently understand it, it is only by abiding by these things that the words of an individual actually become scripture, the will of the Lord, the words of the Lord, the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation.

My present understanding is that only those who attain to this work are called by the Lord "His servants".

What do the scriptures have to say about all of this?

Are there examples given?

As we look at these things can we detect that Lehi and Nephi have attained to this work?

Would it be critically important to understand this in order to accept and receive knowledge that will truly save and reject anything that will not save?

Again, what about "priesthood" or "this priesthood"?

I mentioned that I believe that the scriptures are the best teachers concerning "this priesthood".  They allow us a clearer understanding of what "priesthood" is?

What does the Lord say concerning "this priesthood"?

And also, all they who receive this Priesthood receive me, says the Lord, for he that receives my servants receives me, and he that receives me receives my Father, and he that receives my Father receives my Father’s kingdom; therefore, all that my Father has shall be given unto him. And this is according to the oath and the covenant which belongs to the Priesthood. Therefore, all those who receive the Priesthood receive this oath and covenant of my Father, which he cannot break, neither can it be moved. But whoever breaks this covenant after he has received it, and altogether turns therefrom, shall not have forgiveness in this world, nor in the world to come, and all those who come not unto this Priesthood which you have received, which I now confirm upon you who are present this day, namely the twenty-third day of September, A.D. 1832, eleven high priests, save one, by my own voice out of the Heavens. And even I have given the Heavenly host and my angels charge concerning you. (D&C 84:35 - 42, T&C 82 par. 17)

The Lord here states that all who "receive this Priesthood" receives Him.

What does it mean to "receive" the Lord?

How does one come to "receive" the Lord?

The Lord declared that whoever receives "His servants" receives Him.

It appears that one must receive "His servants" before they are able to receive Him.

We have talked above about servants. Who are His servants?

"For he that receiveth my servants receive me." [I suggested in Centerville that the word "servants" in this context meant angels. And “angel,” the word is derived from a Greek word that simply means "messenger." The messenger can't be on their own errand. They have to have a message that is being brought from the Lord. Therefore if the message originates with the Lord and the message is delivered by a messenger, it does not matter if the one delivering the message is a mortal. We find in the Book of Mormon where Jacob was told what he was to preach by an angel the night before he taught. (See 2 Ne. 10: 3.) King Benjamin said his sermon was based on what the angel told him to teach, after awakening him at night. (See Mosiah 3: 2-23.) In that context, both Jacob and King Benjamin were angels, or messengers with a message from God.  Therefore, as long as they bear a message from the Lord, they fit the definition.] 
"For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me." [That is, if the content of the message comes from the voice of God, and it is coming to you from Him, and is authentically His message, and you receive it as if from His own mouth, then you have received from Him His voice. But it doesn't end there.] (Forty Years in Mormonism, "Priesthood", Denver Snuffer, pgs. 89 - 90)


Is it possible to hear a message from a "servant" of the Lord and not "receive" that message?

Doesn't that happen all the time throughout the record of scripture?

Did Lehi and Nephi "receive" the "servants" of the Lord?

For it came to pass in the commencement of the first year of the reign of Zedekiah, king of Judah — my father Lehi having dwelt at Jerusalem in all his days — and in that same year there came many prophets, prophesying unto the people that they must repent or the great city Jerusalem must be destroyed.
Wherefore, it came to pass that my father Lehi, as he went forth, prayed unto the Lord, yea, even with all his heart in behalf of his people... (1 Nephi 1:2 - 3, NC 1 Nephi 1 pars. 2 - 3)

Is it apparent from the above that Lehi "received" the messages from the "servants" of the Lord sent to Jerusalem and that he was penitent?

Wherefore, it came to pass that my father Lehi, as he went forth, prayed unto the Lord, yea, even with all his heart in behalf of his people. And it came to pass as he prayed unto the Lord, there came a pillar of fire and dwelt upon a rock before him, and he saw and heard much. And because of the things which he saw and heard, he did quake and tremble exceedingly. And it came to pass that he returned to his own house at Jerusalem. And he cast himself upon his bed, being overcome with the spirit and the things which he had seen. And being thus overcome with the spirit, he was carried away in a vision, even that he saw the Heavens open and he thought he saw God sitting upon his throne, surrounded with numberless concourses of angels in the attitude of singing and praising their God. And it came to pass that he saw one descending out of the midst of Heaven, and he beheld that his luster was above that of the sun at noonday. And he also saw twelve others following him, and their brightness did exceed that of the stars in the firmament. And they came down and went forth upon the face of the earth. And the first came and stood before my father and gave unto him a book and bade him that he should read. And it came to pass that as he read he was filled with the spirit of the Lord. And he read, saying, Woe, woe unto Jerusalem, for I have seen thine abominations. Yea, and many things did my father read concerning Jerusalem: that it should be destroyed and the inhabitants thereof; many should perish by the sword and many should be carried away captive into Babylon. And it came to pass that when my father had read and saw many great and marvelous things, he did exclaim many things unto the Lord, such as, Great and marvelous are thy works, O Lord God Almighty! Thy throne is high in the Heavens, and thy power, and goodness, and mercy are over all the inhabitants of the earth; and because thou art merciful, thou wilt not suffer those who come unto thee that they shall perish! And after this manner was the language of my father in the praising of his God, for his soul did rejoice and his whole heart was filled because of the things which he had seen, yea, which the Lord had shewn unto him. (1 Nephi 1:5 - 15, NC 1 Nephi 1 par. 3)

Is it apparent here that Lehi after "receiving" the servants of the Lord also "received" the Lord?

In fact, is it apparent here that Lehi after "receiving" the Lord also "received" the Father?

Therefore, I would that ye should know that after the Lord had shewn so many marvelous things unto my father Lehi, yea, concerning the destruction of Jerusalem, behold, he went forth among the people and began to prophesy and to declare unto them concerning the things which he had both seen and heard. And it came to pass that the Jews did mock him because of the things which he testified of them, for he truly testified of their wickedness and their abominations. And he testified that the things which he saw and heard, and also the things which he read in the book, manifested plainly of the coming of a messiah and also the redemption of the world. And when the Jews heard these things they were angry with him, yea, even as with the prophets of old, whom they had cast out and stoned and slain; and they also sought his life that they might take it away. But behold, I, Nephi, will shew unto you that the tender mercies of the Lord are over all those whom he hath chosen because of their faith to make them mighty, even unto the power of deliverance. (1 Nephi 1:18 - 20, NC 1 Nephi 1 par. 5)

Is it possible to detect that Lehi, after "receiving" first the Lord's "servants" and then the Lord and then the Father now possesses "this priesthood" the Lord revealed in T&C 82?

Can we detect from the above that Lehi now has been given the following charge concerning "this Priesthood"?

And behold and lo, this is an example unto all those who are ordained unto this priesthood, whose mission is appointed unto them to go forth. And this is the example unto them that they shall speak as they are moved upon by the holy ghost. And whatever they shall speak, when moved upon by the holy ghost, shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation. Behold, this is the promise of the Lord unto you, O you my servants.

If Lehi became a "servant" of the Lord, then did the words he spoke by the power of the holy ghost contain the power of God unto salvation?

Did Lehi speak by the power of the holy ghost unto his children?

And now I, Nephi, do not make a full account of the things which my father had written, for he hath written many things which he saw in visions and in dreams. And he also hath written many things which he prophesied and spake unto his children, of which I shall not make a full account. But I shall make an account of my proceedings in my days. Behold, I make an abridgment of the record of my father upon plates which I have made with mine own hands. Wherefore, after that I have abridged the record of my father, then will I make an account of mine own life. (1 Nephi 1:16 - 17, NC 1 Nephi 1 par. 4)

Did Lehi become a "servant" of the Lord to his family?

And it came to pass that I, Nephi, being exceeding young, nevertheless, being large in stature, and also having great desires to know of the mysteries of God, wherefore I cried unto the Lord. And behold, he did visit me and did soften my heart that I did believe all the words which had been spoken by my father; wherefore, I did not rebel against him like unto my brothers. And I spake unto Sam, making known unto him the things which the Lord had manifested unto me by his holy spirit. And it came to pass that he believed in my words. But behold, Laman and Lemuel would not hearken unto my words. And being grieved because of the hardness of their hearts, I cried unto the Lord for them. And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto me, saying, Blessed art thou, Nephi, because of thy faith, for thou hast sought me diligently with lowliness of heart. And inasmuch as ye shall keep my commandments, ye shall prosper and shall be led to a land of promise, yea, even a land which I have prepared for you, a land which is choice above all other lands. And inasmuch as thy brethren shall rebel against thee, they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And inasmuch as thou shalt keep my commandments, thou shalt be made a ruler and a teacher over thy brethren. For behold, in that day that they shall rebel against me, I will curse them even with a sore curse, and they shall have no power over thy seed except they shall rebel against me also. And if it so be that they rebel against me, they shall be a scourge unto thy seed to stir them up in the ways of remembrance. (1 Nephi 1:16 - 24, NC 1 Nephi 1 par. 9)

Did Nephi "receive" a "servant" of the Lord by believing all the words spoken by his father, Lehi?

Did Nephi also "receive" the Lord?

And it came to pass that I, Nephi, returned from speaking with the Lord, to the tent of my father... (1 Nephi 3:1, NC 1 Nephi 1 par. 10)

... for I spake unto him as a man speaketh, for I beheld that he was in the form of a man. Yet nevertheless, I knew that it was the spirit of the Lord; and he spake unto me as a man speaketh with another. (1 Nephi 11:11, NC 1 Nephi 3 par. 7)

Did Nephi also "receive the Father?

My present understanding is that the following was a conversation with Nephi, the Lord, and the Father all present together.

But behold, my beloved brethren, thus came the voice of the Son unto me, saying, After ye have repented of your sins, and witnessed unto the Father that ye are willing to keep my commandments by the baptism of water, and have received the baptism of fire and of the holy ghost, and can speak with a new tongue — yea, even with the tongue of angels — and after this should deny me, it would have been better for you that ye had not known me. And I heard a voice from the Father saying, Yea, the words of my beloved are true and faithful. He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. And now my beloved brethren, I know by this that unless a man shall endure to the end in following the example of the Son of the living God, he cannot be saved. Wherefore, do the things which I have told you I have seen that your Lord and your Redeemer should do; for, for this cause have they been shewn unto me: that ye might know the gate by which ye should enter. For the gate by which ye should enter is repentance and baptism by water, and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the holy ghost. And then are ye in this straight and narrow path which leads to eternal life. Yea, ye have entered in by the gate, ye have done according to the commandments of the Father and the Son, and ye have received the holy ghost, which witness of the Father and the Son unto the fulfilling of the promise which he hath made, that if ye entered in by the way, ye should receive. (2 Nephi 31:14 - 18, NC 2 Nephi 13 par. 3)

By following the same path as his father, Lehi, did Nephi also come up to being "ordained" unto this priesthood"?

Was Nephi made a "servant" of the Lord because following his receiving of "this priesthood" Nephi was sent to his brothers?

And inasmuch as thou shalt keep my commandments, thou shalt be made a ruler and a teacher over thy brethren.

Do Nephi's words as spoken by the holy ghost now contain the power of God unto salvation for his brothers and also to us?

Is there a pattern here?

Lehi and Nephi are two examples but aren't the scriptures completely full of examples of people who have followed this same path?

My present understanding is that "this priesthood" has everything to do with a real life face to face association in mortality with both the Father and the Son. 

... Thus we behold the keys of this Priesthood consisted in obtaining the voice of Jehovah, that he talked with him in a familiar and friendly manner, that he continued to him the keys, the covenants, the power, and the glory with which he blessed Adam at the beginning, and the offering of sacrifice which also shall be continued at the last time. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pg. 171, T&C 140 par. 16) 

It has absolutely nothing to do with a position of authority in an organization.

Only a person possessing "this priesthood" can speak when moved upon by the holy ghost so that their words become scripture, the will of the Lord, the mind of the Lord, the word of the Lord, and the power of the Lord unto salvation. 

Those who possess "this priesthood" do not claim authority over others to direct or to compel them. 

They possess knowledge from God that they are commanded to impart to the children of men according to the heed and diligence the children of men give to the words of God.

They are preachers of righteousness.

As I presently understand it, "this priesthood" can be and is possessed by women and children as well as men.

Please consider the following.

And it came to pass that after I, the Lord God, had driven them out, that Adam began to till the earth, and to have dominion over all the beasts of the field, and to eat his bread by the sweat of the brow as I, the Lord, had commanded him. And Eve also, his wife, did labor with him. And Adam knew his wife, and she bore unto him sons and daughters, and they began to multiply and to replenish the earth. And from that time forth, the sons and daughters of Adam began to divide two and two in the land, and to till the land, and to tend flocks; and they also begot sons and daughters.
And Adam called upon the name of the Lord, and Eve also, his wife; and they heard the voice of the Lord from the way toward the Garden of Eden speaking unto them, and they saw him not, for they were shut out from his presence. And he gave unto them commandment that they should worship the Lord their God and should offer the firstlings of their flocks for an offering unto the Lord. And Adam was obedient unto the commandments of the Lord.
And after many days, an angel of the Lord appeared unto Adam, saying, Why do you offer sacrifices unto the Lord? And Adam said unto him, I know not but the Lord commanded me. And then the angel spoke, saying, This thing is a similitude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten of the Father who is full of grace and truth. Wherefore, you shall do all that you do in the name of the Son. And you shall repent and call upon God in the name of the Son for ever more.
And in that day the holy ghost fell upon Adam, which bore record of the Father and the Son, saying, I am the Only Begotten of the Father from the beginning, henceforth and for ever, that as you have fallen, you may be redeemed — and all mankind, even as many as choose. And in that day, Adam blessed God, and was filled, and began to prophesy concerning all the families of the earth, saying, Blessed be the name of God, for because of my transgression my eyes are opened, and in this life I shall have joy, and again, in my flesh I shall see God. And Eve his wife heard all these things and was glad, saying, Were it not for our transgression, we should never had seed, and should never had known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God gives unto all the obedient. And Adam and Eve blessed the name of God, and they made all things known unto their sons and their daughters. (Moses 5:1 - 12, OC Genesis 3 pars. 1 - 4)


The events in the beginning occurred with a husband and wife together.

They both were brought up to receive "this priesthood" and then they together were sent as "servants" of the Lord to their sons and daughters.

In the account in 3 Nephi of the Lord's appearance to the Nephites did not all there, men, women, and children, all receive the Lord's "servants" (both mortal men and angels), and the Lord Himself?

As we read about the Lord praying to the Father for those in the multitude, words that were understood in the hearts of the multitude but they were incapable of speaking, is it possible to consider that at that point they might have also received the Father?

Is it possible that all men, women, and children in the multitude were "ordained" unto "this priesthood" at this time?

Can someone who has not received "this priesthood" speak the words and will of the Lord unto salvation?

Is this a critical principle to understand in this world?

Are there charlatans and those who suppose they have authority to speak in the name of the Lord, by virtue of holding an office in an organization, who deceive many?

The world always mistook false prophets for true ones, and those that were sent of God, they considered to be false prophets and hence they killed, stoned, punished and imprisoned the true prophets, and these had to hide themselves “in deserts and dens, and caves of the earth,” and though the most honorable men of the earth, they banished them from their society as vagabonds, whilst they cherished, honored and supported knaves, vagabonds, hypocrites, impostors, and the basest of men. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 206)

Is it part of my test in mortality to figure out which individuals are true servants and which ones are charlatans and liars?

Another item of note is that Nephi is expounding upon the scriptural words of Lehi to teach his brothers.

Couldn't Nephi, who has just seen a vision of all things, speak to his brothers using his own witness and declarations instead of expounding on his father's words?

Why would he not speak some of the marvelous things he has just seen?

Is this event with Nephi and his brothers similar in any way to the Lord teaching two of His disciples on the road to Emmaus following His resurrection?

Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken. Ought not Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. (Luke 24:25 - 27, NC Luke 14 par. 2)

Couldn't the resurrected Lord have declared an infinite number of new things to His two disciples?

Why did He expound the words of scripture to them?

What about Jacob at the temple among the Nephites?

And now behold, my brethren, as I said unto you that I would prophesy, behold, this is my prophecy, that the things which this prophet Zenos spake concerning the house of Israel, in the which he likened them unto a tame olive tree, must surely come to pass. And in the day that he shall set his hand again the second time to recover his people, is the day, yea, even the last time, that the servants of the Lord shall go forth in his power to nourish and prune his vineyard. And after that, the end soon cometh. And how blessed are they who have labored diligently in his vineyard, and how cursed are they who shall be cast out into their own place. And the world shall be burned with fire. And how merciful is our God unto us, for he remembereth the house of Israel, both roots and branches; and he stretches forth his hands unto them all the day long. And they are a stiffnecked and a gainsaying people, but as many as will not harden their hearts shall be saved in the kingdom of God. (Jacob 6:1 - 4, NC Jacob 4 par. 1)

Why did Jacob, in order to prophesy, recite the scriptural words of the prophet Zenos and then expound on those words and prophesy that Zenos' words would come to pass?

Obviously Jacob has witnessed things that allow him to understand the allegory of Zenos.  Why not declare those things in his own words?

Is this a sign that Nephi really is a "servant" of the Lord because he is expounding scripture?

Is this a sign that Nephi is meek?

A difficult attribute to recognize, it is found in the relationship between man and God, not between man and man; to be meek is to follow the Lord’s will, even when one doesn’t want to do so, even when it brings one into conflict with friends, family, or community. Meekness is measured as between the servant and the Lord, not as between the servant and his critics. Meekness, among other things, involves a conscious effort to avoid harming or offending others. It requires an absence of pride or self-will. It is not insistent upon being recognized or applauded. It denotes a willingness to suffer without complaint. Others may never recognize the meek, because meekness does not vaunt itself nor demand notice. There is great freedom in meekness. It relieves the meek from the burden of seeking their acclaim. It gives them the security of feeling God’s approval for their course of living. It is private. Meekness means a person voluntarily restrains himself and uses the absolute minimum control or authority over others. It is related to humility. Humility is voluntary submission to the control or power of God — in other words, obedience. Meekness affects a person’s relationship with his fellow man. There is nothing showy or attention-grabbing about the meek. Instead, they are content to know they have a relationship and power with God. Unless God requires something to be done or revealed, the meek do not voluntarily put this authority on display. (T&C Glossary of Terms, "Meekness")

Is there anything showy or attention-grabbing about Nephi expounding on the scriptural words of his father, Lehi?

By declaring only his father Lehi's words and expounding upon them does Nephi avoid the danger of possibly binding the Lord through his, Nephi's words?

Weren't Lehi's words what caused Nephi to ponder and to desire to see the same thing; which led to him receiving his great vision?

Is it possible that Nephi considers that his father's words would have the greatest effect on the hearts of his brothers to cause them to ponder and receive the very same thing he has just received?

If I am unwilling to ponder and give heed and diligence to the words of scripture and ask the Father for understanding of them would I give heed and diligence to "new" and "spectacular" things being spoken to me?

Truly I say unto you, I will liken you unto the rich man. For there was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus who was laid at his gate, full of sores and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table; moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass that the beggar died and was carried of the angels into Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and likewise, Lazarus evil things, but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed so that they who would pass from here to you cannot, neither can they pass to us that would come from there. Then he said, I ask you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brethren, that he may testify unto them lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham, but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one should rise from the dead. (Luke 16:19 - 31, NC Luke 9 par. 20)

If I am to believe the Lord, then I presently understand that if I do not believe the scriptures, Moses and the prophets, and give heed and diligence to their words then I would not be persuaded by some other marvelous thing even by one rising from the dead.

Such is the power the Lord declares is contained in the scriptures, or in other words, the words of HIs "servants" spoken as they were filled with the spirit of the Lord.